ukraine in 2014. and if the u.s. is prepared to help the ukraine defend its territory if in fact russia invades. now russia has a bit of a blueprint for this. of course, you may recall that they invaded a part of ukraine back in 2014. they are clearly still incredibly aggressive in all of this. so if russia wasn't sufficiently punished or deterred by the international response in 2014 will, can we do differently this time around? what can the u.s. do? joining us now is ben rhodes, was deputy for president obama. as i mentioned there. russia has a little bit of a blueprint for this back in 2014 to some extent we do to, but what word from our response then and what should we approach differently that didn't work back in 2014 since