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truly doesn t know how he would answer that. the fact is that powerful people enjoy being around powerful people. yeah that s that is a that is true. were there any moments in this interview that where he became emotional yes, it s actually at the very beginning. um, i went in, and i my first question to him is you know? why are you doing this interview with me? and he put his head. to his face and he looked down and he said, give me a moment and then he s he looked up and his eyes were kind of watery and he he s he, you know, proceeded to say why he was was doing this that he felt that he and um thomas had been unduly wronged by, um the media, and, uh but it was an

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