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inasmuch as with that case, with raffensperger, we have the phone call, we have the recording, we know what was said, we know it was clear. whereas with this case, it s kind of left up to the interpretation of the different accounts and other people on the call. as to the degree of pressure which was being placed on donald trump. legally what that s going to mean is everything comes back to the timeline. what did you know at the time that you made these calls? and then, what was said on the actual calls? so i think that is going to be the linchpin that determines whether a prosecution moves forward wrts to arizona, as compared to georgia, where you have the actual recording and you know what was said. good point. to stay with you just a second, charles, the other thing is, right, we don t know what trump might have to fear from what mike pence or doug ducey might say to jack smith. but there are other people. former trump campaign official, mike roman, who was involved in efforts to
in their investigation into trump s role in trying to reverse his 2020 defeat. the post also notes it s unclear if ducey has been contacted by smith s office over his call. and new reporting from the wall street journal indicates that the special counsel s investigation has taken a growing interest in the role trump s lawyers and other figures played in the efforts to overturn trump s loss, including creating slates of fake electors. that includes issuing subpoenas and asking questions centered on central key figures in those efforts like trump s so-called elite strike force of the kraken lady, sidney powell, rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, among others. the journal provided more details on the recent interview between federal prosecutors and giuliani, citing among other things of interest was a december 2020 meeting in the oval office during which powell pitched a plan to have the u.s. military seize control of the voting machines. also of interest was the role of lawyer john eastma
risk. we re talking about people who could put our assets at risk. and the fact that he is going around in such a cavalier manner, showing things off on a patio, it just really speaks to the fact that he quite honestly shouldn t have had access to this information to start with. let me read to you, charles, a little bit from the indictment, the 37-count indictment. august or september of 2021, when he was no longer president, trump met in his office with a representative of his pac, during the meeting, trump commented an ongoing military operation in country b was not going well. trump showed the pac representative a classified map of country b and told the pac representative he should not be showing the map to the pac representative and not to get too close. that could be susie wiles, we don t know who that is, they don t name the person. are you surprised that, given all of that information, that donald trump was not charged with disseminating? or do you think that s something
from a trump administration of having alternative facts to a republican majority living in an alternative reality vr where they just get to flip the script and they think it s going to fly. ironically, those people, what they re really doing is putting the majority, the republican majority, at stake. they re not 19 republicans, freshmen republicans that came in, in biden-won districts, they re going to lose because no one can defend that kind of nonsense. the more they spew it, there s no logic for it. like i said, the best i can think of is the alternate universe. i mean, the thing is also, no one cares. other than people who watch fox, 2 million, 3 million a night, nobody knows who hunter biden is. then when you know the facts of him, it s actually sad. you know, a lot of americans are struggling with drug addiction. and so do they think that makes