and rumors like how many shooters there are. other police outside a riot. it was really scary. there is a woman who had to stay behind a little bit for evacuation. she was changing her diaper for her child. it was terrifying, actually. the gunman was killed at the scene by a police officer who happened to be at the outlived responding to a different matter. but neither his avidity nor those of the victims had been released as of yet. according to a database maintained by the associated press in usa today, this is the 27th mass killing the sierra. and the second deadliest after the monterey park massacre were 11 people were killed during lunar new year celebrations in january. joining me now, live from allen texas is nbc news correspondent morgan chesky also with us is jim kavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge who was previously facing dallas for a period of time. msnbc terrorism analyst. morgan, one of the league is my
altogether after serious a mass shootings. share with us a little bit about that part of your story and what ultimately caused you to rethink and reimagine this gun narrative in the country. thanks for having me, michael. i wish i was the one she today but here we are again. this terror that we re living in our country is really a byproduct of as jim, our atf ran just mentioned, it s a byproduct of an all-re-up thing nra governance that has been adopted by the gop. in fact, mortgage reporting. he s this issue does not discriminate between democrats and republicans. morgan was just reporting on a shooting in a state with a republican governor. he s now in a another state with a republican governor reporting on a second mass shooting there that he s covering. these things do not discriminate. but the problem is, the nra
36 years in law enforcement. commander in atf, all of the united states and dallas, i was assistant special agent who just a few miles from gun laws save lives every single day. every single day we took guns from very bad people, mentally disturbed people, people who were bent on a vicious crimes, colts, clansmen, not, see-through balls. we took guns from gun laws do reduce violence and death and were not reliving in america now that was created by the gun lobby going back at least 25 years. maybe when al gore lost that election. when he lost his home state of tennessee over the gun issue. i live in nashville. the gun lobby had control of american politics for at least 25 years. this is the gun lobby s america right here. that s what we re living in. everybody has a gun, everybody safer. if that was true, texas would
actually scheduled to be in the chicago area tomorrow, as far as we know from the white house that trip is still on. she reference that she s still going to be in the chicago area tomorrow, so i think that trip is still happening. it will be an open question of whether or not she visits highland park, but this is something that, again, it s not just getting the attention of this small community here, but it s getting the attention of folks and chicago, throughout the state of illinois, and really all across the country. on cue for nbc, shaq brewster there in highland park, the lights coming right in, as we were saying, lots of work to do tonight. shaq, thanks so much for that. let s go to jim kavanaugh, retired aft special agent and in charge now of msnbc terrorism. he let us and former u.s. attorney who prosecuted gun crimes. jim, let s start with you very quickly, just because we were watching, as the light trucks were coming in. and as shaq was reporting for us, it tells us a lo
immediately. i might be repeating myself, but you know what, nobody should have to be blown up by high powered rifles from a top the fourth floor of a building. it s just too much. it s too much, and something has to change. that was doctor david bomb, and i witnessed in today s mass shooting in highland park, illinois, which left six dead and at least two dozen or more injured. articulating what many of us are feeling today. something has got to change. joining us right now, jim kavanaugh, retired atf special agent, in charge of some pc terrorism analyst, and carmen best, who served a 28 year career in law enforcement. let s start with you on this, carmen, the latest information that we have, one hour ago, we