children will be looking from different angles to see what happened. and don t be surprised if this manhunt goes on much longer, if you see nypd come out publicly with images. and say, this is the face. this is the guy. this is the girl. if you know this. and they ll estimate height. they ll estimate weight from any images that they can consider. but i see a crowd sourcing of solving this happening, if this goes on much longer. frank, stay with me. jim kavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge and a hostage negotiator, he is also an nbc terrorism analyst. jim, we re speaking with frank and with vaughn about what it is that we can discern from what happened there. this horrible tragedy that occurred, just a couple of minutes ago, in brooklyn, new york, when someone entered the train station, the subway station, and took fire. i mean, at least five people have been injured by gunfire. 13 total have been injured. jim, what are you looking at
it is something of a hub. different express trains as well as local trains that go through there. and it would have been a very busy place at 8:30 in the morning when all of this happened. thank you for that. the new mayor of new york city is a former police officer himself. he has spent a lot of his first months in office focusing in on the rise of crime in new york city streets. the concerns that there have been in new york city subways. there have been a couple of very high-profile incidents of people being shoved on to the tracks. there s been more of a police presence that i have certainly seen, as somebody who rides the subway very often. talk a little bit, if you will, the sophistication of the nypd. we also have the atf, homeland security on scene right now. their abilities and the electronic abilities that they have to get to the heart of this investigation. chris, we were on with commissioner bratton just last hour, and you know, he was talking a little bit about that. i
joined by everyone from fbi to atf, u.s. marshals, you name it, all security surveillance cameras, crime scene tape everywhere to contain witnesses. we need witness statements. we need to get security video cameras, cctv, of which there are plenty around the city. this will be handled rapidly, but right now, first priority, capture that suspect, contain the scene, and let s make sure we render safe any of those devices. you ll see a methodical approach to those devices, is it something that can be disrupted? they ll be x-rayed. perhaps you ll see use of robots to come in and determine whether or not this is something that you can use a water cannon on or something that must be destroyed in place or whether a bomb tech can safely dismantle it. frank, i was looking just out of the nypd. right now, quote, there are no active explosive devices at this time. in that sense, apparently, that s a bit of good news in
new regulations. a new atf nominee for director of atf. why? because this year, as the stats come out from the fbi, very soon, they re going to tell us that we went over 60 mass shootings in america. this will be a mass shooting because of the number of people involved. i m so glad you point that out. because it does seem if these numbers continue, it would probably be a pistol to have 11 to 14 rounds per pistol. just a horrible scene unfolding in brooklyn. vaughn hillyard is at the scene. vaughn, what are you seeing? hey, there, jose. i m actually not here at the scene, but like you, we re trying to gather the information. we know several of our colleagues are en route there. i think it s important for the american public to understand when we re having this conversation, new york is very much back at this point. this is no longer a system in
reporting there was some sort of concert that was taking place at that location. outside and a wife white pathfinder pulled up. several of them are. the frightening thing, those people are still on the loose right. now let s bring in retired atf special agent jim kavanaugh. he s a former special agent in charge and all former hostage negotiator for the 80th. st jim, unfortunately when we see you on our screen we know why. we saw you just this week when we are talking about san jose. and we want to pull up a graphic showing it looks like we don t have it. but 230 mass shootings in 2021, this year. 62 in may. this is according to the gun violence archive. and these were numbers just mid week. we are now several days out and we have already seen more mass shootings, jim? yeah, lindsey. good morning kendis. yes, unfortunately when bad things happen the police show up. we have to talk about these