it was just just to see that kind of thing and to be in it, you can t even describe it. it still replays in my head and hearing the videos with the rapid-fire, it just plays over in my head. it s unlike anything anybody can describe. it s just horrible. the cops saved us. they did. trace: we said and ask this question, we do not know how we feel, we never will, to be in your shoes, but we re glad you re both alive. our hearts go out to those who didn t make it and they go up to you. we wish you both the best. thank you both. thank you. trace: the deadliest mass shooting in modern american history, a night that will be forever etched into our nation s collective. [gunfire]
here s the thing. once those law enforcement, police officers, took fire from inside the room, at that point, they don t have any choice. that is that is a s.w.a.t. call. s.w.a.t. has not only the expertise of my training, but they have their training, and the briefing materials to blow open that door. at what point did he turn the gun on himself? was that after he heard the explosion? we don t know that yet. i think probably we won t know that we may never know the outcome actually come up with the autopsy have to show something. he took the cowards way out, trace. trace: yeah, it is, it is one of those things where you think, well, he had a lot more ammunition. the police, because of their
through the tent flaps, it sounded like. it was terrifying. trace: for heroism that we talk about, russell, are you of the same mind that this was just a total act of heroism all the way around? people doing the right thing wherever you looked? i want to i am originally from lexington, kentucky, i actually went to the country concert to be around these types of people. ex-military, a good old time. trace: right. every single thing i saw was heroism. every shape and form, big and small. i got to give nothing but that much respect and my love and admiration to the first responders. i thought police officers i saw police officers charging. in a world where everyone is kneeling, these guys stood up. they charged head-on into automatic gunfire. they knew what they were doing. they knew they didn t have the weapons to go up against that. but i want people to understand
context of this event is the mind of the killer who is gone. trace: we go over this again, this is a guy who spent for cody s in this hotel and he suitcases full of ammunition and weapons and he scouted this concert area, and he knew there were two windows and if you busted holes in both of them that he would get better angles. what do you make of the mind-set that went into this? this thing was absolutely planned to the minute. it is pretty incredible. you look at the preplanning, premeditation, thought process that went into this, and the fact that obviously he had to go through some type of counter measures to conceal or have a cover for what he was doing and what he was bringing in there, really breaks the mold in those terms, as well. you don t have that extensive planning until you get into a multisubject conspiratorial type of event like terrorism. for a singular actor to go
here s the thing. once those law enforcement, police officers, took fire from inside the room, at that point, they don t have any choice. that is that is a s.w.a.t. call. s.w.a.t. has not only the expertise of my training, but they have their training, and the briefing materials to blow open that door. at what point did he turn the gun on himself? was that after he heard the explosion? we don t know that yet. i think probably we won t know that we may never know the outcome actually come up with the autopsy have to show something. he took the cowards way out, trace. trace: yeah, it is, it is one of those things where you think, well, he had a lot more ammunition. the police, because of their