here's the thing. once those law enforcement, police officers, took fire from inside the room, at that point, they don't have any choice. that is that is a s.w.a.t. call. s.w.a.t. has not only the expertise of my training, but they have their training, and the briefing materials to blow open that door. at what point did he turn the gun on himself? was that after he heard the explosion? we don't know that yet. i think probably we won't know that -- we may never know the outcome actually come up with the autopsy have to show something. he took the cowards way out, trace. >> trace: yeah, it is, it is one of those things where you think, well, he had a lot more ammunition. the police, because of their