the us pentagon spokesman who is talking about why the proposal to transfer polish fighterjets from a us base in germany to ukraine, why they decided against that. the intelligence community has assessed the transfer of mig 29 to ukraine may be mistaken as escalatory and could result in significant russian reaction that might increase the prospects of military escalation with nato. imean. and that s too simplistic and too naive, and it s a reflection of the fact that we ve enjoyed 30 years of peace and we need to get back into a cold war construct of statecraft and recognising what we re up against. we re still in peacetime mode. but they don t want the escalation. of course not. yeah, but that s obvious. so what do we do? so we re back into 1938. what we re going to do. we don t want any trouble here. but you re arguing for escalation and yet you re also sitting on the fence, saying, oh, i m not really arguing for escalation.
fired on, hospitals, for example. if thatis fired on, hospitals, for example. if that is the case, do you think this point to a lack of discipline? could it get worse in terms of possible atrocities being committed by russian forces? atrocities being committed by russian forces? there is a lack of disci - line russian forces? there is a lack of discipline and russian forces? there is a lack of discipline and that russian forces? there is a lack of discipline and that is russian forces? there is a lack of discipline and that is something l russian forces? there is a lack of. discipline and that is something our military experts have noted as well. a lot of people are watching the tank convoy outside of kyiv. the fact that all the russian soldiers are quite close to each other also indicate a lack of discipline. yes, it could get out of control. it is why the west needs to continue to send weapons. the west needs to go back to the drawing board and send those polish fighterjets an
even though they requested this. we re actually explaining to russia what our red lines are. no general on the battlefield ever declares what they won t do. so even if we were not going to do it, you still keep the other side guessing. so, all right, let me give you a quote from john kirby, the us pentagon spokesman who is talking about why the proposal to transfer polish fighterjets from a us base in germany to ukraine, why they decided against that. the intelligence community has assessed the transfer of mig 29 to ukraine may be mistaken as escalatory and could result in significant russian reaction that might increase the prospects of military escalation with nato. imean. and that s too simplistic and too naive, and it s a reflection of the fact that we ve enjoyed 30 years of peace and we need to get back into a cold war construct of statecraft and recognising what we re up against. we re still in peacetime mode. but they don t want the escalation. of course not. yeah, but that
it is so important that we, poland and the united states, keep in lockstep how we are proceeding. 0ur correspondent mark lowen is in warsaw he told me what more to expect from president biden s talks with the polish government. i think we are likely to hear an expression of complete solidarity with poland and unity really between poland and its nato and eu partners. that is very much the message of president biden s trip up until now, first in brussels and then here in poland. he is meeting the polish president after a slight disagreement a couple of weeks ago when the polish authorities had proposed that polish fighterjets would be transferred to ukraine via an american air base in germany. that met a fairly cool response from the americans, who said that they were taken by surprise.
of weeks ago when the polish authorities had proposed that polish fighterjets would be transferred to ukraine via an american air base in germany. that met a fairly cool response from the americans, who said that they were taken by surprise. they were not consulted about that and that they did not think that was a workable plan. because they fear that that would have been perceived by the russians as a direct military confrontation between nato and russia. but we understand that the poles are saying that is still on the table, so perhaps part of those discussions between poland and the us and i think an interesting part of all of this, rebecca, is that the relationship between these two presidents president duda of poland, president biden of the united states, actually was on a fairly downward spiral before the ukraine war. mr biden had spoken about poland s illiberal drift. he had warned that poland was heading towards totalitarianism because of all this right wing populism here in