a determination of russia to redraw the map of eastern europe and potentially beyond. and we re not quite sure how to respond yet. we ve done well on the sanctions side, but militarily, nato is the most potent military alliance in the world, but we re still not quite sure how to utilise that, how to stand up to putin s aggression. you ve got some ideas a no fly zone, for instance. you know that there are regular objections to this. nato chiefjens stoltenberg says the only way to implement a no fly zone is to send nato fighter planes into ukrainian airspace and then impose that no fly zone by shooting down russian planes. us secretary of state antony blinken says, and that could lead to a fully fledged war in europe. they don t want it. well, let sjust take that in part. firstly, as i suggest, we ve moved into a new era of insecurity. what we ve had over the last 30 years is this peacetime mode
assessed the transfer of mig 29 to ukraine may be mistaken as escalatory and could result in significant russian reaction that might increase the prospects of military escalation with nato. imean. and that s too simplistic and too naive, and it s a reflection of the fact that we ve enjoyed 30 years of peace and we need to get back into a cold war construct of statecraft and recognising what we re up against. we re still in peacetime mode. but they don t want the escalation. of course not. yeah, but that s obvious. so what do we do? so we re back into 1938. what we re going to do. we don t want any trouble here. but you re arguing for escalation and yet you re also sitting on the fence, saying, oh, i m not really arguing for escalation. and when they say, we don t want escalation, you say, oh, think about it. no, no, no, slow it down. what we do is we take one decision at a time and you recognise the escalatory ladder and you control where you re going. you test the waters, yo
militarily, nato is the most potent military alliance in the world, but were still not quite sure how to utilise that, how to stand up to putin s aggression. to stand up to putin s aggression. to stand up to putin s an uression. ., ., aggression. you ve got some ideas. a no-fly aggression. you ve got some ideas. a no-fly zone, - aggression. you ve got some ideas. a no-fly zone, for - ideas. a no fly zone, for instance. you know that there are regular objections to this. nato chiefjens stoltenberg nato chief jens stoltenberg says nato chiefjens stoltenberg says the only way to prevent a no fly zone is designed nato fleet of planes fighter planes into ukraine as pace and impose that no fly zone by shooting down russian planes was top us secretary of state anthony blinken says that could lead to a fully fledged war in europe. they don t want it. let s just take that in part. firstly, as i suggest, we have moved into a new era of insecurity. we have had in the past 30 years, this p
well, let sjust take that in part. firstly, as i suggest, we ve moved into a new era of insecurity. what we ve had over the last 30 years is this peacetime mode that we ve moved into. we ve been pretty fortunate. we re now resorting back to type. the world is an angry place. you get state on state aggression, and we re back to seeing that today. but the west hasn t advanced, hasn t woken up to the scale of aggression of what we should actually do about it. but on the issue of no fly zones. the no fly zone is one operational response that you could have in relation to russia, to stand up to russia and to help ukraine. but you have to ask yourself, what is the wider strategy? but can i just stay on that one? could have should they be imposing a no fly zone? let me finish, because from a military perspective, any operational commitment such as a no fly zone must fit into a bigger strategic picture. what is our strategy to stand up to putin? are we trying to support ukraine by denying