would come with clipboards to check off whether you were vaccinated or not, that there was a government survey which is not what they re talking about. they re talking about essentially trying to take trusted people in communities to make the pitch to people who are hesitant at this point and they do think that that kind of personal interaction is the best way to get past some of the misinformation frankly that a lot of people are holding onto, to avoid getting vaccinated. chris: marc, how do you feel about this idea of community of to community, door-to-door intervention and they say these aren t government officials, these are just volunteers. because their community has a stake in getting people vaccinated. how do you feel about that effort? well, chris, i think it s really a medical miracle that we have the three vaccines within the first year and i think it s an incredible accomplishment, frankly, that 70% of americans have at least had one dose of the vaccination. i think at th
lack of access. the people who are choosing to not get vaccinated are doing so for their own reasons. so i think at some point americans expect the right to make your own choice for your own health and i think probably better resources could be expended perhaps sending people down to the southern border where there seems a greater influx of covid coming across with the free access than saying we re going to send community organizers to people s households. chris: i have to commend you on that pivot, marc, that was very well done. chuck, let me ask you about this. there s a fine line here. on the one hand i think the government does have an interest in making sure that people are vaccinated or trying to at least give them that option but on the other hand you do run the risk of looking like big brother and we saw that when hhs secretary becerra was asked about whether or not it s the government s business who has been vaccinated and here was his answer this
get more people vaccinated. how frustrated is the white house by the fact that a third of all americans are it seems pretty resolute in refusing to get vaccinations and do they have a real plan to deal with this? i think this has become one of the biggest frustrations for the biden white house. they went into this vaccination campaign always expecting there was going to be some group of americans that was going to be hesitant or resistant to getting a vaccine but they thought they would be able to overcome that hesitancy with more information and with proof that vaccinations are working and what they found is that it s really hard to get that number to budge and that number is larger than i think they expected initially and so you have seen this effort to start to lean into the idea of really personal messaging, biden floating the idea of essentially a door-to-door campaign and i think they were frustrated by the blowback to that because it did get misconstrued, the idea that these w
capabilities beyond that. we have the ability to do it even from afar, even from those bases in the middle east, an aircraft carrier that s in the indian ocean, we can to that and we ve proven we can do that, in places like libya. it s not that we haven t done that before or that there s a scrap of earth that we can t reach if we need to. chris: when you talk about libya, we think of benghazi and we think of when the embassy was under attack we re not talking about that. we re talking about them hatching plots. it took hours for u.s. resources to get to benghazi and by the time they got there it was too late. let me move on to another subject. there s also the question that i think a lot of americans ask about the millions of girls in afghanistan and women, the girls in school, the women leading full lives, what happens if the taliban takes over and puts all of those girls and women under
reasonable expectation of achieving a different outcome. chris: president biden standings his ground on pulling u.s. troops out of afghanistan as the taliban make dramatic advances across that country. and we re back now with the panel. marc, president biden is ordering this pullout but president trump, former president trump was planning to do the same thing if he were reelected and in fact he wanted to get all troops out by may 1st. as you look at what s happening in afghanistan now, any second thoughts about this policy of total withdrawal? well, chris, i think that president trump was right to initiate it and i actually think that president biden is correct to complete the withdrawal. i think that americans, men and women in uniform, should not be police keepers across the globe, nor should we be involved in nation building. having said that, i do know that in the end the intelligence community came to the trump