hutchinson also testifying that meadows knew in advance that violence was a possibility on january 6th but trump went ahead with urging rally attendees to march to the capitol and take back your country. thanks to the disclosure of the kevin mccarthy tapes we have a clear look how the republicans lost the opportunity to push former president trump out of politics after january 6th but were weak and did not seize on that opportunity. incredibly amidst all of these new revelations, trump reportedly thinks he looks stronger. marlene sotomayor said trump reveled on his grip over the gop. alexander burns and jonathan martin of the new york times released the tapes as part of their reporting for their new book this will not pass. in these recordings mccarthy planned to tell trump that he should resign, that of course never happened and just weeks after the violent insurrection, mccarthy made a special trip to
president, and i think you know, it s a mistake, sort of like during the moment, ooh, something is coming. nothing came. it s a mistake to promise people look, the attorney general s hired a guy from baltimore, it s seconds away, we re going to see something. that s not what s happening. it is very slow and this is a very difficult prosecution of the president because he s very slippery and very good at it and he doesn t write anything down and he s rarely recorded, so i think it s a very difficult prosecution. what i see is some people at the bottom of that mountain putting on their shoes but nobody s climbing up the mountain just yet. somebody who is not hesitating about diving into the politics would be michael steele, so michael, let s talk about the politics of this, that s what cynthia was just mentioning. it s not just what mccarthy waffled on he thought trump was going to do. he talked about pence pardoning trump, michael. we know you don t talk pardons unless you did somethi
control, create an impression she actually is not in control here, but they didn t do that, so i see this is going to be a win for her and she s going to be emboldened in the new house under kevin mccarthy, she ll probably have a committee chairmanship. michael, everyone is looking at the outcome of this particular lawsuit as a potential barometer for other controversial gop lawmakers trying to run for re-election. interesting, though, this is not a jury that s going to decide it. eight not the judge even though the judge makes the recommendation. the person who decides her electoral debate is brad raffensperger who never found the missing 11,780 votes trump needed him to find. what are the chances that raffensperger tells the gop including trump he s still not going to play ball with stuff like that? you know, i think at this point it will be very hard for him to do that, depending on how the messaging comes out of this
some responsibility for the attack on the capitol in conversations with mccarthy as well as mccarthy expressing just how frankly he says done with trump he is after january 6th but as you said, he is flat-out denying all of this and we know since this audio has been released, the former president and mccarthy have spoken at least three separate times and this is a scenario where you think the former president would be upset by something like this. this is obviously a confidant of former president trump, a friend and companion of his, but the washington post is reporting that trump is somewhat reveling in this moment, just the fact that he knows he is still the undisputed leader of the republican party, that he is still moving the pieces on this chess board, and when this news first broke of these audio recordinged, there were fears that mccarthy s quest to be the next speaker of the house would be over but right now it s not really looking like that is going to be the case. the forme
republican like kevin mccarthy had a moment seemed to be clarity about trump and folded like a cheap suit? says to me one of two things, either he was lying to us about that clarity or he s lying now. i think in kevin s case it s all a lie. this is how kevin is interested in one thing, preserving kevin s position politically to become the next speaker of the house. that s the only thing that matters, and so in that moment of clarity in early january, where he s talking to his caucus, he was essentially playing one end against the other. i don t know. i doubt that he even said anything to donald trump. the reason being that he would fold like a cheap suit in front of donald trump. this is not a man who is going to stand up to donald trump and tell him sir, you must resign. sir, you must take responsibility. i believe donald trump when donald trump said kevin mccarthy