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okay. that was the former white house intern who makes explosive claims in her book once upon a secret: my affair with president john f. kennedy and its aftermath. chris matthews is with us, i want to point out that he probably practiced birth control. and i m dead serious. chris, you know a lot of people are surprised and this is shocking. it s not. i mean, we heard about the two interns fiddle and faddle. joe kennedy would try to make out with his daughter s dates when they would come over to the house. some say. some say. he went the other way. i m sorry. well, also with some of the daughters friends when they would come over. this is not shocking for people that have known well, part of it is first of all, there s no defense of it. no, not at all. i talk a lot about that in my

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