Theres a record a day of great credit. Coming home. But. No. One went into a lot about the beginning of november as means mostafa the fixture and jim and john. We were really looking at how the front lines works in the city and think a very entrenched war in which sort of stalemate on many fronts problems were going to have the. Big yellow million figure that goes up we dont make too much. Theres about. No one between a job and then i started having issues with my camera and had. To return to stamboul so. Jim and john want to continue on to live where they also want to look at you know the front lines the fighting and also with john had to finish his story on his first kidnapping. So i decided to go back to stamboul for that week and they were and it. Hurts i go back roads driving here is the absolute for the. Running if its just sort of a cheer force. Really slowly around bends in the road to see if there was room for your expected post want to hold. The syrian Army Checkpoint at that
by the u.k. joe was all over the news when we when we came back so to speak it was a lot of footage about him and it was it could be recognized and i think. there were a lot of. jihadi rebels from the u.k. in syria as well. have there. we ve we have news from the u.k. . well that s been the day she recognized. at the beginning of november john jim and i and our stuff and took a trip into a lot i gather. we didn t go to a frontline in one of the neighborhoods that the rebels were holding. at that time in two thousand and twelve we knew that there were foreign jihadi is coming into
there s a record a day of great credit. coming home. but. no. one went into a lot about the beginning of november as means mostafa the fixture and jim and john . we were really looking at how the front lines works in the city and think a very entrenched war in which sort of stalemate on many fronts problems we re going to have the. big yellow million figure that goes up we don t make too much. there s about. no one between a job and then i started having issues with my camera and had. to return to
just kept thinking how bizarre it was and how i m remarkable that area was and what it must have felt like for both jim and john at the time i didn t know if there were witnesses and i wondered if there was anybody who was standing by watching what was happening at the time yeah i just kept thinking how weird it was but i think when i saw the place i just had this sense that maybe i wouldn t see them again. work for us was a journalist and we were looking hard at me we have investigators you know on the syria. turkey border for months asking everybody they could find him going into syria talking to people there and all we got was denials and they were explosive denials from jarvis groups. they were identified this islamic state isis they must have been why is it appears in retrospect.
each move but at a certain point they were isis hostages. that was november of twenty thirteen hard on that we got the first e-mail from the kidnappers that was sort of a watershed moment for us that we knew that there was jim. that he was alive and that we were dealing with the people who had him. but we knew little about them and . and then they went silent within a relatively short period of time after that. time is there is a tool that is malleable you can use it for as long as you want you can call somebody or reach out to somebody and wait two months before you do it again or you can wait three months before you ever reach out to them and then an intense negotiation goes on where it s almost daily contact or sporadic or intermittent contact and all these things are tools that the kidnappers use and i m more experienced for the kidnapping group the better they aren t using any quote any