Theres a record a day of great credit. Coming home. But. No. One went into a lot about the beginning of november as means mostafa the fixture and jim and john. We were really looking at how the front lines works in the city and think a very entrenched war in which sort of stalemate on many fronts problems were going to have the. Big yellow million figure that goes up we dont make too much. Theres about. No one between a job and then i started having issues with my camera and had. To return to stamboul so. Jim and john want to continue on to live where they also want to look at you know the front lines the fighting and also with john had to finish his story on his first kidnapping. So i decided to go back to stamboul for that week and they were and it. Hurts i go back roads driving here is the absolute for the. Running if its just sort of a cheer force. Really slowly around bends in the road to see if there was room for your expected post want to hold. The syrian Army Checkpoint at that point i think a lot of journalists just shrug their shoulders in terms of well we were really afraid of the bombs and bullets but we started to get worried about the kidnappings because of how many foreign fighters were there. Because there hadnt been very many kidnappings at that time there was this false sense of security and just this idea that you know we can still freely travel inside but i think when we started seeing more foreign fighters there and people being threatened and some people being kidnapped but for a few days at a time thats when the i guess fear started to creep ben about about abductions. Thinking people. We go it was there waiting for us to grow. Its speak with james. Those are we are coming now to cross. The border so she called me ask me whats happened where are you. I told her they took you on and we dont know where they are right now when we are looking for them there were no demands there had been no ransom calls at least when someone calls for ransom you know what they want and you know that there may be a way of solving this but when people are just disappearing for months and months and months with no news its very scary the whole situation kind of fell on me it felt that there is this huge responsibility for jim and johns lives and their lives are in my hands because if i got one call from the captors i wonder what would i do you know what would i do the father for this happening to you not misinformation although every word and im going back there i mean i kind of stopped. Trying to put good jigsaw together you know because she is such a special interest groups. The first you know twelve to twenty four hours this really crucial and so i think i jumped into this very systematic practical mode you know i created spider charts and other journalists were helping me feel uncertain gaps and there were so many possibilities of who was responsible so maybe. We. You know. I dont know what the what. Some people they call the. Money or. You know. Maybe theyve been taken by the government or was it criminals was it is a mess was it rebel brigades with and gender that they would only come out with later you know so it was just really looking into a black hole and not knowing who was valid or not. The government didnt really get involved until about two weeks after their kidnapping and even then it wasnt really like they were going to take over it was just trying to gather information from from me and my sources but the problem was that the people all they sent to me. Seemed like Junior Officers and didnt seem particularly gung ho about getting him home. On the twenty second of november there woke at around nine am they went to the Storm Internet cafe where James Foley Skype call tone they stayed about twenty five minutes then left the cafe in a taxi stuff and did not notice anybody following them as they started to turn left onto the unpaved road a silver hyundai van drove up alongside them and pulled in front of them. As the van was driving up me stuff i heard john say dont stop none approach the taxi shouting in arabic they were pointing their weapons and shouting get down get out they held a kalashnikov to mistah office had he was made to tie johns hands. John said to my stuff please help not again. Junk country story is very unique country was kidnapped before that as well by this group which was not part of the Islamic State yet it was a Jihadist Group so country was free and then when he came back to the United Kingdom that he was instrumental in a trial against one of the members of this group which was a doctor. Who had gone from britain to syria in order to join this organisation. Where you are part of any of the groups that were operating in that area at the time i was not attached to any group i was a doctor who was given protection by everyone and for five days i treated him for his injuries now the reasons for his injuries and what happened with him had nothing to do with me the only part i had the only role or who drunkenly andrew mormons in two thousand and twelve was i was a doctor attending to my patients well you know what became obvious was. In syria. Also in the border areas of turkey felt that these two guys that were arrested because of what dont kill he told the police which may be untrue but that was the perception i was quite surprised how how it could be that i see two guys in a war zone give them medical treatment and then they get me arrested. But it turns out that these two witnesses never never did give any evidence against me nor did they even request for me to be interested where john and james started because of the story. And then think they were targeted because of the story but the fact that john by that time was a. More or less well known journalist as gave to risk for them was. Slightly higher than for just another journalist i think. So its. Currently it is just a five kilometers to a west weve been trying to get into weve lived for a few days now but part of the roads just just mean theres no way its not secure but will keep drawing. I had a theory that maybe the people who were involved with johns first kidnapping and who remained in syria not the ones who went back to the u. K. Were responsible and because they were quite visible as foreign journalists spending their time in the in live region the same region where john had premiss and being kidnapped and then being in in a public internet cafe for three hours filing you know anybody could have done a search about his case and seen his father come up on google which made them targets immediately thank you. We posted with several key was probably about. Forty guys who are so anxious. Which was an ideal. Weve now got a motorway directly off left which come across because its a motorway theres a footbridge but theyve got two t. Seventy two right the next the foot bridge so we basically walked into. A bad area so its time for tea in those discussions and where isnt a very good question of course but. Certainly so for. This crew because this is going nowhere its not. So pressing that if it was safe this week. There are a couple stories of them being recognised in the level ready you know like this. By the u. K. Joe was all over the news when we when we came back so to speak it was a lot of footage about him and it was it could be recognized and i think. There were a lot of. Jihadi rebels from the u. K. In syria as well. Have there. Weve we have news from the u. K. Well thats been the day she recognized. At the beginning of November John jim and i and our stuff and took a trip into a lot i gather. We didnt go to a frontline in one of the neighborhoods that the rebels were holding. At that time in two thousand and twelve we knew that there were foreign jihadi is coming into syria. And weve gotten out so many times that we thought we were going to go out again and one of their red flags is just staying in one place too long these very little calculations can make a huge difference. In our kidnap and thats. The worst that could be the f. S. A. Had Free Syrian Army was was instrumental in getting us out and that results in the end clashes between f. S. A. And jihadi groups among. A jihadi group that captured us. And the results in some cash to diesel in their ports as well so how did it where there were people out for revenge i think do you think the men that that start to do you think they knew who john and james yes. I think yes i think i think yes. And then he. Said ok leave now and leave. Us people who say like why did he have to go back to the same place that we were captured i mean i didnt and. I thought id done understand that. Either. I went to the same spot but the thing was it was such an unremarkable stretch of road where they were kidnapped i was able to find the approximate location where they were taken because our fixer was able to describe pretty clearly where it had happened we did a slow drive through the area for about five or six minutes and the whole time i just kept thinking how bizarre it was and how im remarkable that area was and what it must have felt like for both jim and john at the time i didnt know if there were witnesses and i wondered if there was anybody who was standing by watching what was happening at the time yeah i just kept thinking how weird it was but i think when i saw the place i just had this sense that maybe i wouldnt see them again. Work for us was a journalist and we were looking hard at me we have investigators you know on the syria. Turkey border for months asking everybody they could find him going into syria talking to people there and all we got was denials and they were explosive denials from jarvis groups. They were identified this Islamic State isis they must have been why is it appears in retrospect. I want to know that how do you know. And how you live. With whom you were. James foley and warm. Yes. You have. Are there as is themselves devoted my view with you were with drums or. I didnt understand why its just the talk in the form of. Yeah yeah translation. You know use like i think. So when backed up he announced the formation of isis in syria in april two thousand and thirteen our lives he became the wali of aleppo which meant she oversaw all Islamic State activities within province an absolute was in charge of aleppo. What the kidnapping all locals became graham plant right from the beginning of the civil war everybody was kidnapping reach syrians in order to fund their own fights they started kidnapping foreigners too and of course all their wealth to syrians had moved out so at that point the foreigners became a very good way to fund various organisations who kidnapped John Connelly or james folly and sell it to another organisation for maybe ten thousand dollars maximum saying amount of small money but of course different kind of people. Just look at all from sauvignon sort of yeah thats just when i saw this and then out of one hundred sitting with students sofie her from another student who would imagine the easy. Conventional smile mom and the gee why do you think she has been going to bed i made me feel with energy why did the talking only. Call. It appears that at some point in time Islamic State decided that they wanted to aggregate as many of these western hostages as they could maybe they thought they would be valuable in the manner that they did become valuable maybe they thought they would be a bargaining chip in some other way its been suggested that it was a matter of prestige you know the group that had the most western hostages was the most successful most powerful and the fact that they made no effort to communicate for an entire year. You know its surprising. Also know that im confident enough. That it will. Happen. Because he thought the unit john savino john against human on the infancy and i need some of those same you know. Jews fully steve in bits with avi and then you can see sofie almost on a sort of model. One of these. Young recruits from belgium you dont think who i wrote about for the new yorker magazine got cold feet on arrival she ended up being a hostage if the group you tried to join and eventually he long after isis formed she ended up in the same prison cell in aleppo as james foley and john kennedy and a german hostage named Tony Newkirk John and james told you that theyd been kidnapped initially by just on a stretcher and then they were traded among four or five locations before ending up in the hospital aleppo which was under isis control presumably on every move they were blindfolded and all the rest so we dont really know who who was in charge of each move but at a certain point they were isis hostages. That was november of twenty thirteen hard on that we got the first email from the kidnappers that was sort of a watershed moment for us that we knew that there was jim. That he was alive and that we were dealing with the people who had him. But we knew little about them and. And then they went silent within a relatively short period of time after that. Time is there is a tool that is malleable you can use it for as long as you want you can call somebody or reach out to somebody and wait two months before you do it again or you can wait three months before you ever reach out to them and then an intense negotiation goes on where its almost daily contact or sporadic or intermittent contact and all these things are tools that the kidnappers use and im more experienced for the Kidnapping Group the better they arent using any quote any combination of these tools to pressure to get the result that theyre looking for the United States government will not make concessions such as paying ransom to terrorist Groups Holding american hostages and i know this can be a subject of significant. Public debate its a difficult and emotional issue especially for the families with the european hostages. In almost every case or in every case their governments were directly involved in negotiations may or may not have paid all or some of the ransom and in every case Islamic State. Released the hostage killing a french also was not going to achieve what they wanted to achieve a serial killing an american el cid and because the u. S. And the u. K. Ever and this attitude towards hostages we do not need to shake this simple fact at this some also just literally and auditors were not also exposed to the war the double standard that those who are in the hostage taking business because it is a business decide theyre going to go after the french and italians and the spanish or others because they know they can get money for them if the government says we will negotiate for the release of our people than any terror group not only in the middle east but anywhere in the world understands that if you kidnapping american the government will they go shoot with you which then opens the open season on diplomats on International Business people and everything so the government must say no we will not negotiate america not done you know. A lot of magic to know that im going to have them but they are making sure were not going on some part of the u. S. Position now as we prefer to do this militarily you know black hawk helicopters joint special Operations Command units going in and trying to rescue a. Track record there is not very good. Iranian know where they were being held on their final Holding Place like. The special forces that even. Its expensive its dangerous and it didnt succeed a special operation sold it to go to certain areas they went and they kept it or kept it was our there was a war and what are we really accomplishing how timely is that intelligence is this new news is this old news what are the chances theyve been moved since you last got intelligence out what are the risks to u. S. Personnel going in to try to effect way to rescue what are the risks to other civilians who may be in the vicinity you dont want to send in a lot of special forces that risk getting them killed particularly if your information may be stale and the hostage may not even be there they pretty much knew that they werent there but they sent in team of seals or whoever to but rescue them i dont think so they sent them in there to get their cell phones to get their laptops to get the files to get everything that was there that they could use and thats what that mission was about if it took place i mean we were moved every two weeks to a month and this mission took place months and months and months after you know the french or the spanish whoever was up with the information back that they were there fell into their hands certainly a rescue mission is high risk not just for the special ops guys but also for hostages why they waited. Until july to do it. I think theres a lot of questions that i have about this why would that be classified as a successful mission. Well i guess it depends on how broadly defined successful it wasnt successful in the sense of being able to rescue the hostage it was successful in the sense people got in and they got out and no one got captured or killed so it was only gen. John jim and john im not sure if you are all right larry very nature of the matter is and even as it is girl. You are your big. Thirty first wife i just want. To check if youre John Connelly and james foley were kidnapped in two thousand and twelve and until two thousand and fourteen there were no use a tool then all of a sudden they became a propaganda tool for the Islamic State but all self an instrument of foreign policy. They said they would execute him in retaliation for the u. S. Bombing which had begun a relatively short time before. They demanded one hundred Million Dollars for james foley was the publicity that they won. By killing him which polls after the fact showed that this event was the single most well known and that event among americans across the board since nine eleven was that publicity worth more to them than one hundred Million Dollars. I think. Whether or not they predicted the reaction would be quite so strong. From that point forward i imagine they had very little interest in and read something anyone whatever they would say negotiating with Islamic State was unique. And never happened before was extremely difficult so the because it was a New Territory i mean never before and it dead also been worth more than alive also. Sophist released a video which is believed to show the execution of american freelance journalist james foley the video also shows another freelance journalist identified as thought and Islamic State members in the video said that software will be axed. Stephen stuff contact me to do some more inside syria about civilian situation in the morning i go to become pin from the border to inside to inside aleppo its what some people three cars wait us on the road and they lift the cars and they close the street and they kidnapped us and once youre on the syrian side and you get into a car and start driving youre on a single road for about a thirty minute window during which there is no past but the one youre on and everyone knows and if someone calls ahead and says ok look. Theres a time line its like ok its good hes going to be at this checkpoint in this many minutes going to be at that one and that many minutes hes going to get in to a van with a fixer everyone knows like here the six or seven fixers that often take journalists from this checkpoint. So you know spying on the fixers is probably a more efficient way than spying on the journalists from the beginning when i was in the inside the god i told king do them who is you what do you want. They hit us they hit me in in the gun and they say to reshift off the dog also i mean dead inside the prison but they said to me shut up dont talk. On top of it all we were trying to figure out what was going on by contacting lots of people but also trying to keep a lid on it because. The family wanted a media blackout while we try to negotiate whatever it is that isis wants or at that point whoever took him once but we all knew it was isis i mean. Yeah. Stuff was that was really tough. The. In the latter half of two thousand and fourteen absi was in charge of isiss media wing and thats when they started releasing all the batting videos so he had and if the state department has said the absolute was in charge of kidnappings for the Islamic State so. Its unclear surely there were other people involved but he seems to have been. In a leadership position at every step from abduction to movie hostages from the prison and a lot of to iraq to later the media wing which was releasing the beheading videos to the remnants of the ancient regime what i like to call the ghosts of saddam are in effect running the show this is why isis is a fist to cater that the level of guerrilla warfare why it is sophisticated at the level of conventional warfare but most especially why its propaganda is profoundly clever and wicked. You know the Information Warfare that isis franks to bear is one of their their greatest assets in this campaign and if you want to really go back far think of it this way the guys who trained up to saddam this were for the soviets for k. G. B. So they know how to do this stuff. The. There was never really any willingness to exchange. The u. S. And the u. K. Also there was no willingness to exchange the japanese hostages they demand for the japanese hostages were far too high which amount to under a Million Dollars to be delivered in seventy two hours thats impossible they knew that this was possible but the profile ganda. Campaign was fantastic i mean days lambing state got inside japan. E condition it does isha in japan that related to the changing of our civil mind of the coup situation which is they are still in the prohibits japan from intervening me tyrion this is under attack. Now that was a key issue of the debate this is something that Prime Minister abbott and been trying to push for several months so its not to say new not to have this onyx say through a debt well this is fantastic we can use it for our propaganda that we cant influence japan we can scare that was done and then during this period they just dania pilot who is also capture. First they said she was killed by jordanian warplane and a building that she was being kept but now there is some indication theyre saying actually you know what this American Girl converted to islam and we buried her with you know she married an islamic fighter and we buried her with sort of the in the you know the muslim veil and all these what do they say theyre saying this woman who came over saw the true ways of isis so the true path of islam converted became one of us rejected you and your deprived western society and then you killed her anyway so her blood is on your hands so very powerful. That everyone has to believe it and after it will have to be with. Jobbies believe they watch these videos and theyre intoxicated theyre in thrall but three. I dont know what you think you see. Because hes a prisoner hes going to go is he forced to do these rallies one of them is true. Or is that side channel. Seeing as ive been banned by my government and my feet and the reason that he was going state i have nothing to lose many firsts will join appear on the video also did give the first sign of life so if it was a relief and terrifying experience it sent on at least he was alive its a name what he was saying wasnt. Well to all fall in november two thousand and twelve came to syria where i was subsequently captured by two small mix states now nearly two years later many things have changed including the expansion of the Islamic State to include large areas of Eastern Syria and western iraq john kennedy appeared in a number of isis videos effectively serving as a narrator or almost appearing as a correspondent under duress join me for the next few programs and i think you may be surprised at what you know. Personally i think they made john the Spokes Person for these propaganda videos partly to make a mockery of him i dont know its very hard to say the psychology behind all of this but there are people that are accusing jones and joining eyes as we just want to say then they sure realize that as well as a lot of gun point to that even if you can see it but i mean as as soon. He loses his use for dead i mean it soon as theres no purpose for him being alive i mean hes finished so the only thing he can do is just an on for for life sake and then do the best that he can to to please them try to bring their message across in a snickers knows his message and in order for him to make it out alive yes to bring that message as best as he can look at the care and the quality that goes into these videos way better than al qaeda way better than zarko we could do in two thousand and five or six so you know i mean its just part of the the apparatus can actually actually sat in in one of these videos that is that you know i know because my pos course you cant pass it on. I would not be released and my government use of mine to me so you know these is in terms of protocol that theyre very powerful very very thick which also means that they know exactly whats happened here they know well we think that because of course you know they are also people they were born and brought topping our countries that were going to fight with them. Now im seventy two i was. In need to know why this isnt two hundred million to save the lives of people since since otherwise its not. What were seeing emerge that. A jihad a civil war a jihad is competition for one upmanship and funder stealing it is being played out in the streets of europe. And the propaganda is feeding that as well. So it was a. Sin and. It ends with him interviewing a french jockey who has joined isis who speaks in fluent french and he says basically if you cant come here you cant make the here to join the Islamic State stay where you are in the west and do jihad there. I mean what more can be said you know this is not this is an International Campaign this is not confined just to the levant and most of the. Watching the videos and knowing john its its very bizarre to kind of connect the person who i know and also the person who is now on you know the you tube video if you do not have the ability to negotiate and then. At the moment to al can you get him out. If they think that keeping him alive to make tapes that bring more recruits. Is actually more recruits that keep him alive and the moment that they decide that hes useless. Yeah i opie it calls back one around me i see the. Chances of that actually happening. Thing theyre quite slim. And. I think yes yes written at us for life. From the wrong make it out alive. It probably has come to terms with an already. Everybody come home. Because i was thinking mine so i was in eugene dream. Im going into this country would be like this. 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