misdemeanor, whether it s something the house decides to charge him with. one of the thing he said is people will revolt if a guy as terrific as me who has done so much for you is removed from office. that s really trying to hold the country hostage by threatening riots, threatening violence in the event that the constitution is carried out. we can t accept that. we have to let him say what he wants but then proceed in an orderly fashion. so there are three sets to unpack here. the first one is this may the first one is this may well come down to public sentiment. once the mueller report comes out, we ll have to see as people process it with help from the media and others where their heads and hearts are in terms of what action they re demanding. if it s strong, then we re going to get to the second part, which is high crime and misdemeanor and political resolve thereupon. the president says this campaign
thousand and one right. i read that to people in this. we get that idea he wasn t playing it like a liar, he was trying to be cooperative and he was open and easy and, if anything, they took advantage of that. that s their case to make. anything else in these documents that you think might wind up being instructive down the road? well, i think that really what is instructive is how much cooperation flynn was able to give mueller on myriad topics, so that to the extent that mueller s investigation needed to be fleshed out by an insider, flynn really seems to have been that person. surely manafort didn t turn out to be that way, nor did papadopoulos. we don t know what gates has given them. flynn seems to be the linchpin of the mueller investigation as we watch it unfold into other areas of inquiry. i think this is an important case for mueller and i think flynn is going to prevail in not getting jail time. interesting. you don t think flynn will get time. we ll see soon enough.
because that is going to go to what the president knew and when he knew it. and it may not go to illegality, but it will certainly go to things that could be found wrong in a political trial. that s right. and you and i have had a dialogue about cohen memorandum by mueller where cohen indicated that he socialized his testimony with the white house before he gave it. that was the false testimony before the congress, and if he socialized it with the white house and the white house in any way subborned it, in the way that president trump did with the june 9th meeting with junior, that is a very, very serious and easily provable crime. michael zeldin, thank you for putting your eyes and head to this very helpful, another big development. so another big story today. some democrats are open to
stuff, the payments, just civil. even if it happened. it s only civil. it wouldn t matter. and the stuff about me having a business deal, that s small peanuts. he s making a case to the american people because he s banking that s going to be the ultimate judge and jury here, not mueller. there will be no prosecution. we ll get to your argument in a second. when he describes his behavior that way, is it helpful to his cause? i don t think it s helpful. there are people who will believe whatever he says, but the more facts come out, the more people will begin pausing. when he says it s only civil, he doesn t know what he s talking about. if the allegations are true, he s violated serious federal criminal laws by directing and coordinating, that s the language of the prosecutors for the southern district of new york, directing and coordinating payments that were hidden because they were funneled as contributions, they were dark
all right, we re doing this stuff in realtime. the headline is that michael flynn in his defense submission is basically saying i m the best thing you ve got, there s a lot of false narratives about me, i haven t talked, i haven t gone out and tried to win public favor, this idea i was being recalcitrant, wasn t helping, it s not true, i m no papadopoulos. he said as soon as this happened and they came to me, i started to help. mueller said the same thing. he asked for probation. which of course would be the most lenient kind of sentence. mueller basically says the same thing. you re going to have to remember this will be a function of what he actually gave them. what i see as most important is not what he puts in here. what he puts in here is kind of mass. thousands of documents to the d.o.j. even before the voluntary pre-plea proffer sessions he had