stuff, the payments, just civil. even if it happened. it's only civil. it wouldn't matter. and the stuff about me having a business deal, that's small peanuts. he's making a case to the american people because he's banking that's going to be the ultimate judge and jury here, not mueller. there will be no prosecution. we'll get to your argument in a second. when he describes his behavior that way, is it helpful to his cause? >> i don't think it's helpful. there are people who will believe whatever he says, but the more facts come out, the more people will begin pausing. when he says it's only civil, he doesn't know what he's talking about. if the allegations are true, he's violated serious federal criminal laws by directing and coordinating, that's the language of the prosecutors for the southern district of new york, directing and coordinating payments that were hidden because they were funneled as contributions, they were dark