the united states, so that we can stop these attacks. i mean, we d be having a very different discussion today, jon, if these guys, or the guy on christmas day and the guy at times square, if they had been a little bit more competent and plane had come down and there had been a successful explosion on times square, you and i would be calling for a major overhaul or review of our intelligence activities. the only reason we don t have that is because these guys were incompetent, some people were very observant and we were lucky. jon: and there are cities, namely madrid, mumbai, london, where luck has not held out. exactly. jon: congressman pete hoekstra on the phone from grand rapids, thank you. jane: we re also learning more interesting stuff about shahzhad s ties to pakistan, he was raised in what s described as a comfortable home and the suspect has been back we re told to visit pakistan, it looks like at least ten times,