the united states, so that we can stop these attacks. i mean, we'd be having a very different discussion today, jon, if these guys, or the guy on christmas day and the guy at times square, if they had been a little bit more competent and plane had come down and there had been a successful explosion on times square, you and i would be calling for a major overhaul or review of our intelligence activities. the only reason we don't have that is because these guys were incompetent, some people were very observant and we were lucky. jon: and there are cities, namely madrid, mumbai, london, where luck has not held out. >> exactly. jon: congressman pete hoekstra on the phone from grand rapids, thank you. jane: we're also learning more interesting stuff about shahzhad's ties to pakistan, he was raised in what's described as a comfortable home and the suspect has been back we're told to visit pakistan, it looks like at least ten times,