government. it would be surprising at this point given the speed that special counsel is no working, it would seem logical that juicy has now met with and spoken with investigators and prosecutors. philip it was striking to me that doocy, in response to the washington post is like, this is all caught and paste, right? this is all stuff we already knew. there is a nugget here that we did not know. i just wonder what doocy s political calculus is here. we all understand pence s political calculus is here. why not have governor to see come out and say, this is what he said. let me tell you as it was told to me. i guess if you are a republican official who is under that spotlight from donald trump in a post election period, you recognize i mean, look, misapprehension about donald trump can get his people to do too if you disagree with him. we saw what happened on january six. where is the value?
period, you recognize i mean, look, no one is under any misapprehension donald trump can get his people to do to you if you disagree with him. we saw what happened on january 6th. where is the value? of course there is value in being a good citizen and being a responsible actor and saying here is what happened, here is what it looked like. even in that moment there, he may have said this is part of the broader campaign and not paid particular attention to it in part because we didn t have the recordinging like brad raffensperger. but why stick your head up? i don t mean to cast aspersions, why stick your head up and say yes, donald trump did this to me and draw all that attention to yourself. that s exactly why donald trump acts the way he acts. as you said, to be a good citizen. no recording of the ducey call without that recording. safe to assume we will not see an investigation in arizona like you have fani willis in georgia. not safe to assume it.
never happened before. if the last five years, ten years have taught us anything, it is don t think something is not going to happen because it is inevitable or it is unprecedented. the unprecedented happens in washington a lot now. the biden people are engaging. there was a time a few weeks ago when their posture was, no. we re not doing this. now they are negotiating and actually, does that disappoint you? what do you think? i think the president labored under the misapprehension the speaker would do his job. it is a constitutional obligation. okay. that is his job is to pay the bills. by the way, these are bills run up by donald trump and the republican congress. they added $7 trillion to the debt. the two key numbers for me are 5 and 18. kevin mccarthy the house speaker has a margin of five seats. he has 18 members who represent districts that joe biden carried. they ve stuck with him. yes. he made them walk the plank for nothing. they have now voted, they haven t voted to
but no. now we have a framework and then we get to yes and ultimately when we see are two things. one, nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to and as john mccain famously said, it s darkest before it gets totally plaque and it s also, as we ve gotten more pessimistic that there s a sense that this isn t going to happen because it s never happened before, and if the last five years, ten years have taught us anything, is don t think something is going to happen because it s inevitable and the unprecedented happens in washington right now. so the biden people are engaging. there was a time a few weeks ago when their posture was no, we re not doing that. now they re negotiating and does that disappoint you? what do you think? well, i think the president labored under the misapprehension he that he would do his job and these are bills run up by donald trump and the
trump has now been arrested and indicted here. we don t know what s going to happen. we don t know if he will be convicted. we don t know what he would be sentenced to if convicted, but in u. s history, there s a little bit of a of a call for record of humans running for office, and some of them being elected from prison is one way to say it. okay so this is rare, but it s a reminder to those folks who are under some misapprehension. attention that president trump could be blocked from running for office if he s in prison or indicted. not so. let s start with eugene debs, that s a socialist candidate for president. five timer in 1920. he gets arrested a few years before for protesting the draft during the first world war under really lousy luck, all the sedition act. he is in prison during the 2019 20 election. he gets almost a million votes from prison. um so you can run for president from prison. eugene debs did it in 1920. we re talking about my hometown, boston. there s also you th