government. it would be surprising at this point given the speed that special counsel is no working, it would seem logical that juicy has now met with and spoken with investigators and prosecutors. >> philip it was striking to me that doocy, in response to the washington post is like, this is all caught and paste, right? this is all stuff we already knew. there is a nugget here that we did not know. i just wonder what doocy's political calculus is here. we all understand pence's political calculus is here. why not have governor to see come out and say, this is what he said. let me tell you as it was told to me. >> i guess if you are a republican official who is under that spotlight from donald trump in a post election period, you recognize -- i mean, look, misapprehension about donald trump can get his people to do too if you disagree with him. we saw what happened on january six. where is the value?