so i urge the president not to let his guard down when he has a conversation with with michael, and to be aware of the penchant for tape recordings. nobody knows this bethan giuliani. and for somebody to say he hasn t tried a case in 20 or 30 years is beside the point. he knows the way the system works. he is a person of great intellect. and i want to ask you one important thing. there are many things. but one thing before we go. you represented trump in his divorce. yes. so you have worked with him. yes. you know a significant amount about his personal life. probably more than many people. yes. obviously, a part of all of this, maybe a small part, but we don t know when it comes to perjury. we just don t know is alleged payments including the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. yes. do you know of this being the
without that there will be no settlement. today it appears michael cohen is smarter than the president because michael cohen is cutting his losses on the other cases. appears to be focussing on our case and the criminal matter. it appears that he s focused where he needs to be. meanwhile the president is focused on the crowd size in key west. now as you know, there have been questions raised about for instance what brought storemy daniels to new york. he s under criminal investigation here in new york. hear what josh holmes that was the former chief of staff to mitch mcconnell and megan mccain had to say about that. here they are. at this stage, clearly she wants to be on camera. there s no need for her at all to be at the courthouse yesterday. it seems like a publicity stunt on some level. i mean, i think yesterday because you didn t have anything to do with the case, it seemed a
word flip essentially saying the president didn t do anything wrong, but michael cohen will tell the feds whatever they want to hear to avoid going to prison. here is what jay goldberg said. a witness in michael s position is able to glean what it would take to get a letter of cooperation from the government and thereby avoid a lengthy prison term. carrie, is that what the fear here is? well, that seems to me the advice that mr. goldberg gave the president that michael cohcohe cohen. look, something under the investigation that michael cohen is obviously under in the southern district of new york, given the search warrants that were executed, given the proceedings that we re seeing, his whole life is being turned upside down. i think the point that mr. goldberg is trying to make is that is a person who might be in his experience motived to try to cooperate with the government in any way the try to bring some better resolution for his own self in this case.
recommend that he be shown leniency. that doesn t necessarily mean that he tells the truth. flipping is an expression that we use when a witness is of a mind to tell the truth. but history has shown that people under the threat of heavy litigation glean what the prosecutor is interested in hearing, and they can form their conduct so that they can get what s known as the 5k-1 letter. so you re saying he will turn on the president. basically, he will indict the president, but it wouldn t necessarily be by telling the truth. that s right. do you know michael cohen? i do. why do you think that? i do know him. he is of a type that i ve recognized in the past as one not suited to stand up to the rigors of jail life. and don t forget he is under pressure not only from his own personality, but from his family. they don t see michael as taking
surprising today. he dropped his liable lawsuits against buzzfeed and fusion gps over the russia dossier which had allegations against him. he always brings up the buzzfeed situation. he was passionate about it. so dropping it is not a small thing and his lawyer said okay we re backing out. we need to focus on other matter which is presumably is the criminal investigation here in new york. is there any chance, michael, that you would consider settling your current case with michael cohen given that they appear willing to do just that with almost anyone? i don t think there s any chance, erin, because we will never settle this case and when i say never, i mean exactly that. never settle this case unless it involves full disclosure by michael cohen and the president about what really happened here relating to the agreement, the cover up who knew what when? what the president knew? the full, full montey.