so i urge the president not to let his guard down when he has a conversation with with michael, and to be aware of the penchant for tape recordings. nobody knows this bethan giuliani. and for somebody to say he hasn t tried a case in 20 or 30 years is beside the point. he knows the way the system works. he is a person of great intellect. and i want to ask you one important thing. there are many things. but one thing before we go. you represented trump in his divorce. yes. so you have worked with him. yes. you know a significant amount about his personal life. probably more than many people. yes. obviously, a part of all of this, maybe a small part, but we don t know when it comes to perjury. we just don t know is alleged payments including the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. yes. do you know of this being the