cooperation you have and the whole issue of privilege. but to have it at a restaurant in washington, d.c. is is stunningly stupid. it is stunning. when i saw the story coming across, i m like, there is no way this is true. then i saw the photo evidence, and i said, well, it s absolutely true. so, laura, you can t write this stuff. i m going to read a little more from the article. it says mr. cobb was heard talking about a white house lawyer he deemed a mcgahn spy and saying, mr. mcgahn had a couple documents locked in a safe that he seemed to suggest he wanted access to. a couple of documents locked in a safe? i mean we don t know what those documents are, but certainly mueller and the congressional probes, they re going to want to try to find out now. absolutely. and everyone knows and you re even trying to be a law student in law school, you would know about the rules of discovery and about trying to comply and about attorney-client privilege. yes, it s true that you have the i
washington, talked loudly about his disagreements of turning over documents and complained of other lawyers. i ve got some reservations about one of them. i think he s like an mcgahn spy. when ken vogel contacted the white house and the lawyers involved before printing their article about that discussion, john dowd told this lie to the new york times about the conversation that ken vogel had actually heard. he said, nothing we said reflected adversely upon don mcgahn. joining us now, curt anniversary author of fantasyland. and ron klain is back with us. curt, at the end of the article, you have don mcgahn saying, that stuff you heard us say, we did not say. it s the old joke. don t believe your lying eyes. here was the new york times reporter taking the picture and
i ve got some reservations about one of them. i think he s like an mcgahn spy. when ken vogel contacted the white house and the lawyers involved before printing their article about that discussion, john dowd told this lie to the new york times about the conversation that ken vogel had actually heard. he said, nothing we said reflected adversely upon don mcgahn. joining us now, curt anniversary author of fantasyland. and ron klain is back with us. curt, at the end of the article, you have don mcgahn saying, that stuff you heard us say, we did not say. it s the old joke. don t believe your lying eyes. here was the new york times reporter taking the picture and recording notes on the iphone as they spoke and asserting the
town and two of the president s top lawyers discussed at that lunch very sensitive strategy about the russia investigation, all at that sidewalk table at blt steak here in washington, just a few blocks from the white house. as you said it was overheard by a new york times reporter and the new york times is reporting that don mcgahn erupted at ty cobb for discussing the matter in public and saying chief of staff john kelly reprimanded cobb for the carelessness. what exactly did white house lawyers cobb and john dowd talk about? they aired their suspicion with the president s legal team and talked about a white house lawyer who they didn t name calling that person a, quote, mcgahn spy. it seems that ty cobb and john mcgahn, the white house counsel, are a bit at odds and cobb says he wants to be transparent and turn over documents for the russian probe but mcgahn might not be of the same mindset saying mcgahn has a couple documents locked in a safe and
document production or other debates about what should be turned over to mueller. ty cobb, on the other hand, believes there s nothing to hide. so, the more you give to mueller, both documents and testimony, the more that he will have incentive to quickly, if not move on from the investigation, at least move on from the focus on the president. then there are the stylistic and personal issues, personal sort of trust issues. you see those manifest themselves in cobb suggesting that he thinks there may be a mcgahn spy in his midst, among stuffers he has working for him on document production. that is something that may stem from the differences over the actual legal issues and presidential privilege, but it complicates things further. that s the one that s getting the most attention. that s the one that prompted cobb getting sort of chewed out to some extent by john kelly, chief of staff. walk us through that chewing out, don mcgahn and kelly chewing out ty cobb.