washington, talked loudly about his disagreements of turning over documents and complained of other lawyers. i've got some reservations about one of them. i think he's like an mcgahn spy. when ken vogel contacted the white house and the lawyers involved before printing their article about that discussion, john dowd told this lie to "the new york times" about the conversation that ken vogel had actually heard. he said, nothing we said reflected adversely upon don mcgahn. joining us now, curt anniversary author of "fantasyland." and ron klain is back with us. curt, at the end of the article, you have don mcgahn saying, that stuff you heard us say, we did not say. >> it's the old joke. don't believe your lying eyes. here was "the new york times" reporter taking the picture and
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