this investigation is, you know, gives the biggest picture of his so called secret society and the women from his past. what did you make, helen, as you watch that section of the film? i think it s extraordinarily powerful. i mean, we re talking about this in a week in which, you know, serving metropolitan police detectives convicted of a huge number of rapes, you know, with red flags for 20 years back. and i think matt s film makes very clear that there have been a number of red flags that were not picked up on in the background of andrew tate, a number and again, this speaks to an interaction with technology, which is that misogyny is often the onramp to other types of bigotry. it s often the onramp to far right content, for example, simply because it is so nebulous, so widespread, and actually, so low levels tolerated. you know, the idea that women just need a smack is actually something that you can get away with saying, on pretty much every social
andrew tate was interviewed by hugo rifkind, the british journalist, recently. and towards the end of that article, hugo rivkin writes, if i had a son, i d hate the thought of him being exposed to it. and i m farfrom wild about my daughters having to deal with teenage boys who have soaked in it. i ve even agonised about whether i ought to do this interview. although if the most googled man on the planet can t be written about in a newspaper, then i m honestly not sure what any of us are here for. what s your view of that, helen? is there a point at which journalists should stop engaging? well, i made that decision, actually. i was asked last year to go on a podcast, which was on a tiktok channel on a podcast, you know, and be, the other guest who was interviewed essentially and i turned it down because what i felt in that case was that was something that was going to get chopped up and clipped up. and i was there to be the, you know, woman that he get to call ugly and stupid and dunk o
network in the way that you cannot say overtly racist things. and so andrew tate had to push it a long way before he eventually got banned from all these social networks, which, as matt demonstrates, because he then had other people filling in, posting his content was not necessarily as effective. and, you know, this is somebody that elon musk brought back to twitter as well. so this is a part of the story that s worth saying that the ban did not endure in the case of twitter. it s also worth saying that in the case of his detention in romania at the moment, andrew tate denies all the allegations. also, a statement given on behalf of him to the daily mirror reads andrew and tristan tate, that s his brother. have the utmost respect for the romanian authorities and will always assist and help in any way they can. scott, what s your view of how journalists and the media should interact with a phenomenon like andrew tate? it s tough because, you know, i include myself in this - loosely, in
but i would say the culprit in the us or what is not i helping our social media i platforms that see benefit, having algorithms elevate . content that s controversial, that creates a discourse that s more coarse. - and they claim, if you question tiktok, they ll claim he s been banned. they ll say, - we ve banned him . and yet he s still everywhere. and what you re seeing - in the eu is taking a real lead on this is they re saying - if hate speech, speech offline is illegal, it s going| to be illegal online. but to that point, matt, you were saying that the hustlers university, which andrew tate has created, circumvents some of the bans from the big tech companies that scott s just listed. yeah, that s right. and it s important to remember, the hustlers university is not a place in the real world. but yeah, this is the thing. how do you stop kind of this kind of misogynistic content spreading when it s not him posting it, it s his army? and let me just read you a couple of comments.
is, or that were featured in helen s programme as well. because i m assuming, matt, that as well as being punched in the face a number of times during your visit since you left romania, you ve also been attacked repeatedly online. yeah, that s right. i ve got hundreds of death threats and also, you know, claims that. hundreds? the women. sorry, hundreds of death threats? yes. hundreds of death threats. and also claims that i ve paid the women, you know, money to be in the film, claims that i ve doctored the voicenotes that are clearly in andrew tate s voice, where he appears to discuss these crimes of rape and abuse. you know, all that s come through. yeah, in a big way. and helen, what about you when you made your programme? well, the response to the new gurus been one of the i mean, i was worried because, as you say, lots of these communities are innately hostile to the mainstream media. they don t want to engage with you and they think you will only ever stitch them up. and any kind