where some of our most talented - people and well resourced companies have a profit motive in elevating content that enrages people - because enragement- equals and engagement. and there s a real. externality to that. and until we hold these platforms to the same responsibility - and accountability that we would - hold the bbc or the new york times or the atlantic, they re - going to continue to engage in these externalities and let - people continue to smoke or put carbon into the air. it s that simple. scott, yours will be the last thought on this matter because we re out of time. thank you. to you, that s professor scott galloway from the prof gee podcast and the pivot podcast. thanks to helen lewis, staff writer at the atlantic, and to match matt shea, the film maker who s produced the dangerous rise of andrew tate for vice. that s it for this edition of the media show. thanks as ever, for watching. we ll be back with you next week. bye bye.
a discourse that s more coarse. and they claim, if you question tiktok, they ll claim he s been banned. they ll say, we ve banned him and yet he s still everywhere. | and what you re seeing in the eu is taking a real lead ion this is they re saying if hate l speech, speech offline is illegal, it s going to be illegal online. but to that point, matt, you were saying that the hustlers university, which andrew tate has created, circumvents some of the bans from the big tech companies that scott s just listed. yeah, that s right. and it s important to remember, the university is not a place in the real world. but yeah, this is the thing. how do you stop kind of this kind of misogynistic content spreading when it s not him posting it, it s his army? and let me just read you a couple of comments. andrew tate was interviewed by hugo rifkind, the britishjournalist, recently. and towards the end of that article, hugo rivkin writes, if i had a son, i d hate the thought of him being exposed t
thousands of dollars. he s also being held in romania as part of an investigation into rape and people trafficking. tate denies all the allegations. do you ever wonder why some people who you ve never heard of before, all of a sudden, appear everywhere? and that clip we just heard? well, that was the journalist matt shea, who gained access to tate s compound in romania. to get inside, i had agreed to endure a professional cage fight in romania. i know he s going to lose, but wow, he s actually in there! ..along with a hundred tate superfans. matt shea, welcome to the media show. thank you. you ve made this film for vice, it s called the dangerous rise of andrew tate. i wonder when you first decided to try and make contact with him? well, i was actually first brought onto this story by a brilliant journalist and producer called jamie thomson who s been following andrew tate for years before he became famous. so by the time we were filming in his compound in romania,
that s controversial, - that creates a discourse that s more coarse. - and they claim, if you i question tiktok, they ll claim he s been banned. they ll say, we ve banned him and yet he s still everywhere. | and what you re seeing in the eu is taking a real lead on this - is they re saying if hate speech, speech offline is illegal, - it s going to be illegal online. but to that point, matt, you were saying that the hustlers university, which andrew tate has created, circumvents some of the bans from the big tech companies that scott s just listed. yeah, that s right. and it s important to remember, the university is not a place in the real world. but yeah, this is the thing. how do you stop kind of this kind of misogynistic content spreading when it s not him posting it, it s his army? and let me just read you a couple of comments. andrew tate was interviewed by hugo rifkind, the british journalist, recently. and towards the end of that article, hugo rivkin writes, if i had a son, i d
young men how to live. and, you know, there is a very strong ideology behind them, which is that a form of masculinity has been lost. and, you know, having watched matt s excellent documentary, the thing that strikes me is it s very much like a 13 year old boy s idea of what it means to be a man. a guy goes up and introduces us, my name is alpha wolf and how matt did not laugh at that point, but it s like so much stuff on the internet now where it is both ironic and not ironic in the sense that they re saying, i m a misogynist, you know, of course everyone calls me a misogynist, you know? and there s understood to be a performance there, but it is also serious at the same time. and that s something i thinkjournalism really struggles to grapple with, is saying that someone is putting on a show for you, but underneath the show there is something nasty going on at the same time. and we re going to get into those dilemmas, questions for journalists when they choose to interact with someone