those interventionist views and the subsequent policies that fell out of them created a backlash in libya which ultimately led to benghazi. there did seem to be some tenuous or at least attempt to make a case why the business interests mattered. we couldn t really suss out why mr. brock and the clinton foundation were relevant. the committee will point out that he has been paid by both of them. so maybe there was some conflict there, but we couldn t entirely piece it together. noam scheiber, thank you very much. thanks for having me. coming up, a look at the elite 158 families whose campaign donations make up over half, yes, that s right, half of the early 2016 fund-raising efforts. all the details ahead. ur fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies plus energy support. it s a new fiber supplement that helps support regularity and includes b vitamins to help convert food to energy. mmmmm, these are good! nice work, phillips! the tasty side of fiber, from phillips .
so there s some genuine uncertainty here and it s uncertainty with tremendous stakes for what both the republican party and american politics looks like going forward. right. if you go back to the last campaign, it was very easy to understand. it was romney and the non-romneys. and every time somebody seemed to have a better chance to beat romney, he d rally or she d rally the right. but what you have in this race is no really strong figure, other than trump, who dominates the stage and you have all the constituencies of the party even are divided. there s no clear evangelical candidate. there s no clear libertarian candidate. and there s no clear tea party candidate. so you have this fractioning i m sorry. of the party that is creating problems even on the right itself. all right. e.j. dionne, mckay coppins, michelle goldberg, thank you all. still ahead, the floodgates are open on the benghazi committee as new details emerge on how far the inquiry has wandered into personal
chairman gowdy calls podliska a liar. gowdy says podliska claimed he was discriminated against because he was a reservist taking leave away from work on the committee. gowdy says when podliska realized he would lose that argument in mediation he then claimed for the first time the committee was slanted against hillary clinton. and gowdy says it was podliska who mishandled classified information and that it was he who tried to inappropriately focus his work on hillary clinton. it s a damn lie, and that s not a word that i often use, but rarely is it so easily proven. leave was always granted. he was never denied leave. so he was losing in mediation on his reservist claim, and that presented a really good opportunity to pivot to the democrat talking point of, well, let me try this. part of it was the mishandling of classified information, and part of it was his refusal to do what he was hired to do. he s an intelligence expert. that s what we needed him to focus on. but twice he tried
but this all shifts after the hillary clinton e-mail revelations. they d become very preoccupied with that, not surprisingly. and resources are basically diverted. people who have other portfolios are kind of detailed to the hillary clinton e-mails. not just the e-mails, to stay more broadly. but initially, again, it was intended to focus on the entire foreign policy, national security apparatus. and it suddenly just becomes a kind of very focused on the state and the secretary of state. and again, we had a lot of documents from the committee that had never been seen before publicly that were very consistent with this. the chairman of the committee, mr. gowdy, had announced nine proposed hearings in late 2014. one a month about. basically, what had happened, what we should learn from it, what we should do in response. none of those hearings have been held. he had a list of about 12 wait. there have been none of the