the beat with ari melber starts now. you were speaking to donald trump s former lawyer, now grand jury witness last night i spoke to his current lawyer, who blames everything just about on the former lawyer. i m curious what you think of it all, including your skills as an established political communicator what we re hearing coming out of this team? well, first of all, i m so glad to get to talk to you i described you behind your back as masterful it was a brilliant interview i watched it when i got home i think that what he is doing is what you said. he was engaged in political communications his defense as he described it to you was that he would have paid it either way because melania would be mad well, the federal crime isn t being charged by sdny. this is a state investigation. it doesn t seem like an apples to apples kind of comment. what i think is about to happen in this country is a giant debate about whether this was just a foot foul, sort of a b.s. kind of t
relating to his financial statements that the attorney general has charged. as is often the case, you point out extra things we wept through a lot here at the top of the program you are reminding everyone that corporate entity has already been convicted by this new york d.a. in this jurisdiction. what you are telling people there might be a road here that doesn t live or die by whether you call it a campaign spending item, which mr. tacopina and i discussed, but you might have a much wider case about a kind of a corporate criminal entity. stick with me. we are going to get a break. it s just 60 seconds i am going to ask livvy casey and we re back in a minute we re gonna catch a big one we re gonna catch a big one. look out for the water. can t go under it. the rocks and the mud. can t go over it. gotta go through it! we re going on a bear hunt. we re going on a bear hunt. oh going on a bear hunt! going on a bear hunt! yeah we re going on a be