the beat with ari melber starts now. you were speaking to donald trump s former lawyer, now grand jury witness last night i spoke to his current lawyer, who blames everything just about on the former lawyer. i m curious what you think of it all, including your skills as an established political communicator what we re hearing coming out of this team? well, first of all, i m so glad to get to talk to you i described you behind your back as masterful it was a brilliant interview i watched it when i got home i think that what he is doing is what you said. he was engaged in political communications his defense as he described it to you was that he would have paid it either way because melania would be mad well, the federal crime isn t being charged by sdny. this is a state investigation. it doesn t seem like an apples to apples kind of comment. what i think is about to happen in this country is a giant debate about whether this was just a foot foul, sort of a b.s. kind of t
just a foot foul, sort of a b.s. kind of thing to charge him on and i think he is about to rile his people up and i think most prosecutor fall for that, most blinked. we talked about how, you know, the mueller team with the, you know, obstruction volume of six incidents of obstruction of justice, that was viewed and sort of dismissed by senior doj officials as process crimes because there was no criminal conspiracy with russia you had the twoich peoplements that never led to criminal examination. mar-a-lago, which limited in terms of seeming interested and supporting a criminal prosecution on that because, oh, biden and pence did it, too. around the insurrection, it would be so novel to examine him or scrutinize him under insurrection or anything like that i think what s about to happen in this country and the way his team is going to respond, which you showcased better than anybody, is something very volatile, but it s what you