the beat with ari melber starts now. you were speaking to donald trump s former lawyer, now grand jury witness last night i spoke to his current lawyer, who blames everything just about on the former lawyer. i m curious what you think of it all, including your skills as an established political communicator what we re hearing coming out of this team? well, first of all, i m so glad to get to talk to you i described you behind your back as masterful it was a brilliant interview i watched it when i got home i think that what he is doing is what you said. he was engaged in political communications his defense as he described it to you was that he would have paid it either way because melania would be mad well, the federal crime isn t being charged by sdny. this is a state investigation. it doesn t seem like an apples to apples kind of comment. what i think is about to happen in this country is a giant debate about whether this was just a foot foul, sort of a b.s. kind of t
said it will be political debate, political communications, not really a legal debate. yeah, and first first of all, you laid that out so well. i happen to know sometimes i am tired after one hour you did two and you went through every single every single jurisdiction and there are many where he had some problems, just about every one. you raise important points it s not prejudging the outcome. there is strong evidence you mentioned a novel insurrection yeah well, that attack was nnov. so attacking it legally will be novel. as you say, there may be potential defenses to that. sure. and we will cover them fairly but that shouldn t be in a prosecutor s mind a reason as you say to blink boys has he benefitted if attacks, coop fusion and blinking he has a cfond l and lawyer whok the fall and that helped him i like three chats thank you for your time.