what exposure political and legal do you think the republican accomplices have today? it s a good question, and obviously we are continuing to learn things about how kevin mccarthy thought that this was all a very bad thing. we ve seen that in his comments after the insurrection. we saw that in the leaked tapes of what he was telling his colleagues in the aftermath of that, even floating, you know, a resignation. there was, you know, people who were talking about the 25th amendment. i think this part is really important because we knew there was some discord in the trump team about this idea to go up to the capitol. we knew that there was disagreements about whether that was a good idea. there were people who wanted to do it, rudy giuliani, otherwise who apparently disagreed according to cassidy hutchinson s testimony, that would include mark meadows who said that could result in a real, real, real bad day on
with some political moments, it s impossible to know just how historic it really is, as it s unfolding, but this is not one of those instances. just in terms of sheer magnitude, what we heard yesterday from cassidy hutchinson was literally testimony for the history books. it makes watergate look almost trivial in terms of the conduct, in shadow of what is likely the biggest political scandal in american history. the question s already been raised during our broadcast. will it matter. max boot s column seeks to answer that. if there is any justice in the world, hutchinson s testimony will finally breakthrough the force field of indifference enveloping the republican party. having seen trump survive too many other scandals that should have ended his disgraceful political career, i cannot be overly sanguine that he has finally reached his rightful reckoning. the cancer has been exposed but could still continue to metastasize. joining us now nbc news
ton of hearsay and wow, a lot of impeached testimony we ll get to in a second. i ve been in the beast countless times and in the suvs countless times. i would find it very difficult to lunge into the front and do that. particularly in the beast. it s not developed that way. i spoke to white house staffers, three or four of them in the afternoon and they knew her well and not one person had anything good to say about her performance today. so pay close attention not to the fact that they attacked cassidy hutchinson who was once on the same side, probably politically still is, but how they attack her. it s part of the reason why cassidy hutchinson was such an extraordinary witness, but we know what will happen now. they will insist she was a low-level staffer, coffee girl, i hardly knew her and the former
how much they almost let so many people get killed so that donald trump could stop mike pence. that s what we learned in stark terms yesterday, and you can t escape it. those are the separate facts and they re the more salient fact from what happened in the limousine. aaron blake, you know who knows that s true? rudy giuliani knows that s true, and mark meadows knows that s true. this is cassidy hutchinson s testimony about their interest in a pardon. did rudy giuliani ever suggest that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? he did. ms. hutchinson, did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th. mr. meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma am. so they all knew this too. right? they all wanted pardons for
white house trump secretary sarah matthews tweeted anybody downplaying cassidy hutchinson s role or her access in the west wing either doesn t understand lou the trump white house worked or is attempting to discredit her because they re scared of how damning this testimony is. phase two when you start to hear the buzz words, gossip. it s all gossip, rumors in the grapevine. these are descriptions so very typical for people trying to discredit a young woman with people making the comments, they re making them on television. cassidy hutchinson was sworn in on capitol hill. it would have been against the law for her to lie a point her lawyer made in a tweet. miss hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told under oath. we agree. as they try to discredit her, smear her, damage ler and those attacks will likely endanger her safety and honing in on