has retained on much of the republican base. more republicans will be asking themselves if this is the person they want as their nominee in 2024. taken as a whole, it was devastating in the extreme and for the congressional committee tasked with investigating the most devastating attack on the u.s. capitol in centuries, hutchinson s testimony puts their probe at a crossroads with important new questions to answer, especially about the role of white house counsel pat cipollone and what he told the ex-presind top trump officials on january 6th and in the days before and after. vice chair liz cheney reiterating the panel s call for cipollone to testify. white house counsel pat cipollone had significant concerns. it s time for sip loan toe testify on the record. any concerns he has about the institutional interest of his prior offers are outweighed by the need for his testimony. punch bowl news is reporting this, quote, the january 6th select committee is likely to subpoena pat c
penalty of persecution if she lied to congress. that s why we re saying earlier is so important that we need to hear directly from the secret service agents. what made cassidy hutchinson so credible as a witness apart from her demeanor, her poise and the way she recounted things clearly and succinctly and answered all of the questions was that she was very honest and candid about what she heard directly and what was secondhand to her. she made absolutely no pretense that she had been in the car and even to the extent that when she was outside the dining room, i was about two feet away and i got to hear one conversation about mark meadows and i can hear in the background what was being said in the dining room. her memory is meticulous and either she took notes at the time or she had some kind of other way of keeping her memory clear because remember, now this is over a year ago, but her memory is clear and she is very specific about what she knew
was involved in some form of seditious conspiracy, prosecutors have to prove the agreement and in many ways we ve rushed past him and assumed there was an agreement or evidence that one would be developed. cassidy hutchinson gave a piece of testimony in this rega rd that i suspect is so influential and that prosecutors have to follow up on. she talks about the fact that mark meadows, her boss, the white house chief of staff wanted to go to the willard war room to participate in a meeting there and meeting where people including mike flinn were present and if we re looking for a moment where a conspiracy would have been formed we re far more likely at this late date where a conspiracy would be formed and discern the origins of a conspiracy. this looks like the moment. leave aside the notion that it was the 25-year-old in the room who was telling the president s chief of staff that it wasn t a good idea for him to show up at the willard, right? there s so much dysfunction
electors conspiracy. there was nothing for trump to do at the capitol other than for his own coronation, and i wonder if it correlates or is at least interesting right next to the seizures of john eastman and mr. clark s devices over the past few days. yeah. i mean, that s why when cassidy hutchinson testified that donald trump was asked about vice president mike pence, and the fact that people were threatening to hang him, mark meadows came back and said he thinks they f-ing that pence f-ing deserves it. clearly, that was the intention was to get mike pence by any means possible through intimidation, through a huge crowd being there, through disruption of the proceeding not to go ahead with the
wrapped up in that, but here we have all of the players at the willard war room planning the fake electors scheme and we now have a connection between them and the white house proper. if i m an investigator or prosecutor i m focusing on this. mark meadows testimony is so critical in terms of what he knew because i m just going to tell you that i am skeptical of the notion that he could have been freelansing, pleating with those folks without the president of the united states approval. that s an assumption and it s a very big assumption and it s not a reason to prosecute a case. it s a reason to investigate further and to do it expeditiously because it s clear now that trump knew about the violence. not only did he not stop it. we know that he not only did not stop it, but he intended it to take place. i have a piece of her testimony. miss hutchinson, is it your understanding that mr. meadows called mr. stone on the 5th? i m under the impression that