back home, you would probably agree with using it? your concern, that it will be overused or you just don t like it at all? well, i think it s overused. i think it s illegal. i think it s immoral and i don t think it works. would those parents be willing to torture the perpetrator s child in order to get their child back? where does it stop? are they willing to rape somebody s wife? this is illegal. it s illegal in the united states constitution under the eighth amendment and illegal under three treaties we signed under four separate laws so the real question is should the president of the united states violated those to uphold the constitution because he thinks it might work when it seems like it didn t work at all. i m looking at the notes that khalid sheik muhammad and he gave up news about the courier, i mean, all of these main people that we seem to have captured and then interrogated on the whole war on terror, apparently we used enhanced interrogation techniques to get that
can t single out a person for assassination. let s deal in the real world. if they have our people, they ll use anything they can to get information out of them. why do we have to be the set aside good guy? why are we the only ones? because we re not them. it s limited. it s done on but it s done on a limited basis. it s in a controlled atmosphere. do it they re not killing th . they re making them uncomfortable. very uncomfortable and i say don t take this off the table. we are not terrorists. we are not them. george washington and abraham lincoln both were against torture and i got to tell you, the revolutionary war and the civil war were a lot more threatening to the united states. i can t let go of the idea that somehow waterboarding khalid sheik muhammad led to this courier. let s recall what happened. the guy that told us the courier was not waterboarded. we found out in 2007. i don t want to get mired down in names of all these people. i have to give david the final word
the prospective courses or venues. chris: do you think after the mayor and senators say they don t want it, after the times square attack, do you think it is reasonable to even consider holding the trial of ksm in new york city? i think it is reasonable to look at every option and find the best way to bring that murderer to justice? even in new york city. we are working with the congress and local jurisdictions and the department of justice and others to bring him to justice. is the government investigating whether the thousand point drop on wall street on thursday could have been a cyber attack? there is no indication that it was. chris: so that is to my knowledge, a not at a. they are looking at the causes for it. i know that. they are looking at whatever possibilities that were out there but so my knowledge there is no indication that it was. finally, what is the biggest lesson that you have learned from the times square case? what is the biggest security gap tha
the indefensible. this is the most irresponse decision any administration made when they said they would hold the trials of khalid sheik muhammad in lower manhattan. you will in effect make it impossible for people to live in the area and businesses with be gone. and new york city and the region is already the number one terrorist target in the world. this would only increase it. i don t believe they should be getting civilian trials anyway. unbrennajohn brennan has to tat how we have to be respectful of the rights of khalid sheik muhammad. if he wanted to do is in an ex-pa dishouse way, he would have plead guilty a year ago. this was wrong. the trial should never be held and why they leave it out there, i think what it is, is eric holder is a liberal idealog, he doesn t want to back off from this and presents a picture of confusion to the country and the world that the president and rahm emanuel made
taken up arms against the united states of america. chris: in those cases they said it wasn t enough. they had to voluntar waive their citizenship. it wasn t like they came and said they no longer want to be citizens. people actually do that. but the passport is part of a tool that the terrorist groups have now. it is probably the main reason why the terrorists in pakistan wanted to use shahzad, he had an american passport. we got to stop that. chris: congressman king, i want to go back to you and to this interesting conversation i just had about eric holder s statements with john brennan in which he defended holder who is saying that it is still reasonable to consider holding a trial for ksm and the other 9/11 codefendants in new york city. your reaction? unbrennajohn brennan is defg