reporting former national security adviser john bolton, secretary of defense mark esper and the secretary of state mike pompeo around the president s desk tried to convince him in august to reverse course on freezing that aid to ukraine. political commentator scott jennings is here, a contributing columnist for the l.a. times, bakari sellers also joins us. good morning one and all. happy holidays, merry christmas. hope you had a good one. the fact that, bakari, we have this now newly undisclosed, now disclosed, meeting because of the new york times reporting with the three key people so high up in this administration pleading with the president in august to stop, stop holding this funding from ukraine, people who could testify to this, people in the room, how significant is that? well, i think what it shows is that this investigation still has some hallways and some doors to go through. there s no reason that john
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investigate the bidens. rudy seemed essential essential to this, over there to make the case for zelensky and ukrainians to do this. yes, absolutely. there are some congress men who say we don t want to get bogged down and want the clock to run out and so on, your feeling is this is more important than that, rudy guilliani should be brought up there to testify. jim, i don t want to second-guess chairman schiff. we had the same thing in the last couple of days saying don mcgahn should testify. also, john bolton doesn t seem to be protected by this wide-ranging presidential immunity. however, if they can play rope-a-dope the next couple of months i m sure they don t want to let that drag on. it s a balance. if we can get him in the short run, yes, in the long run, there s enough stuff to proceed
bolton and will it make them testify. and what i found interesting about this is that it led me to believe that john bolton doesn t really want to talk because this judge s ruling if he wanted to talk, he s been waiting for a judge to rule about whether he should, could have been potentially used as a door opening saying, well, this is in precedent here, the judge even talks about bolton in the ruling, but his lawyer is saying that this does not apply to him and that he had a different role in the white house. and it leads me to believe that bolton will not be looking for a reason to speak in front of congress. mimi, there was a win for the president yesterday being specifically the supreme court temporarily blocked the disclosure of his financial records. we ll wait until december 5. how do you think this will play out? well, i mean it is not surprising that they issued a stay. i mean, if they knew exactly that they were going to, you
appear and to tell you what i know. i believe that those who have information that the congress deems relevant have a legal and a moral obligation to provide it. john bolton doesn t believe that. john bolton should have been in that hearing room today, but he does not believe that those who have information that the congress deems relevant have a legal and a moral obligation to provide it. john bolton has provided that information for money to a new york book publisher that is paying him $2 million for a book that will include the information that he is refusing to tell congress. john bolton is in exactly the same position as fiona hill who used to work for john bolton in the white house. john bolton and fiona hill are both ex-white house employees, now private citizens, who were asked to testify to the impeachment inquiry. president trump, who has absolutely no power over them as private citizens now, told them both not to testify. so they had a choice to make. fiona hill chose to