happening on the hill, and it s something that i still struggle to work through. the emotions of that. joining us now is olivia troye, former top aide to vice president mike pence. she attended the hearing today. she is a former colleague of cassidy hutchinson. olivia, i just want to read for the audience the tweet that she was just talking about. it was donald trump tree tweeting at 20 4 pm on the capitol, and that was being televised, he was watching it. he tweeted, mike pence didn t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. usa demands the truth! and so, donald trump further endangered mike pence s life with that tweet. and what cassidy hutchinson seems to be saying is, we knew. she knew that that tweet was further endangering the vice president. yeah, and i can only imagine i
out with new sets of investigative guidelines from the department of justice and perhaps new legislation from congress we re behind the curve. let me show you what congressman jamie raskin had to say about donald trump sort of unleashing some of this monstrosity. we have got to keep struggling to make ourselves a more perfect union if we re going to keep moving things in the right direction because donald trump has unleashed a lot of the monsters of the last century against us. the racism, the authoritarianism, the anti-semitism. neo-fascism. all of those things are out there. and so americans have got to hang tough in order to defend our democracy and then to keep it growing because democracy is always a thing that s in motion, getting better all the time. is this an optimistic take on this? and of course these things existed pretrump. but this idea that he unleashed a lot of the monsters of the last century. he certainly gave them safe harbor in the political speech context. an
can safely go into the dark places on the internet, infiltrate safe spaces for neo-nazis and document and record everything that we can. because even if law enforcement is going to fail to prevent violence we will be there to record evidence that is courtroom ready so we can present it for civil proceedings. you know, frank, i just spock to jamie raskin in the last hour and i went back and watched some of his arguments as an impeachment manager before the january 6 select committee investigation ever commenced. and his points was sort of along the lines of what kris is saying, everything was out in the open, donald trump tweeted his invitation in december to his supporters to come to washington, it will, quote, be wild. and then he gave a speech on the ellipse telling them to march down there, i ll be with you. he tweeted his attack on mike pence at the very same time that the insurrectionists were chanting hang mike pence and beating law enforcement officials with flagpoles and sp
the committee couldn t reach, in terms of witnesses who are claiming privilege. doj s gotten beyond that for some of them. so, i don t think referrals will help doj decide what to investigate or whether they should investigate. now they re talking about, those referrals will really just sharpen for the public what the evidence they think the evidence shows and what they expect doj will ultimately agree with as their investigation matures. carol, let me pull back a little bit and sort of deal with the twin objectives, as i understand, from that interview with congressman kinzinger and we re going to speak with congressman raskin in a couple of minutes. they don t want to lose the thing they have been so good at doing which is telling the story of how january 6th came to be. and it started with a lie repeated over and over again by donald trump. a lie that they presented evidence to us as the public, trump knew was a lie. we know that because his campaign manager, and the campaign da
he was delighted, and through his acts of omission and commission that day, he abused his office by siding with the insurrectioniss at almost every point, rather than with the congress of the united states. rather than with the constitution. so, that was democratic congressman who would go on to become a member of the january 6th select committee, but wasn t yet, congressman jamie raskin, during the closing arguments of donald trump s second impeachment trial, that s from january last year, that donald trump s refusal to stop the mob was part and parcel. joining us now is congressman jamie raskin, a member of the house select committee. congressman, we played that, because it was so clear you knew then what the committee has painstakingly proven, with evidence that perhaps the impeachment committee didn t