the committee couldn t reach, in terms of witnesses who are claiming privilege. doj s gotten beyond that for some of them. so, i don t think referrals will help doj decide what to investigate or whether they should investigate. now they re talking about, those referrals will really just sharpen for the public what the evidence they think the evidence shows and what they expect doj will ultimately agree with as their investigation matures. carol, let me pull back a little bit and sort of deal with the twin objectives, as i understand, from that interview with congressman kinzinger and we re going to speak with congressman raskin in a couple of minutes. they don t want to lose the thing they have been so good at doing which is telling the story of how january 6th came to be. and it started with a lie repeated over and over again by donald trump. a lie that they presented evidence to us as the public, trump knew was a lie. we know that because his campaign manager, and the campaign da