when it finally was over, we came in with the national guard, the state police. and we rushed in and first thing that i had encountered when i walked in by the control center, a body right there under water. that i tripped over. and i could still see his face. i was in wyoming when the riot happened. i was watching on tv and everything, seeing all the guys in the yard. and then that s when they told me that i was lucky to get out. they would have killed you in the riot. he s in pc now, cellblock four. i heard he was tortured with a settling torch. one of the torches they use to cut into the cellblocks. two weeks after they transferred me back to new mexico. the gym was still burning. i was put in cellblock two, you know. national guard was still feeding meals and stuff like that. that s when i learned they said,
i think if i would have stayed around, things might have been different. you know how it is. that s the way i was brought up. just like you, you know what i mean? and getting into the drugs, that s what really brought me down. if i would have did it different, i know you wouldn t be here and i wouldn t be here, you know what i mean? it s kind of hard to see what was here, you know what i mean? almost on the same charges and everything. if i could, i would change everything. you know what i mean? it is kind of weird talking to you now, because we haven t really sat down to talk in, what, since you were, what, 11, was i think the last time? it s been like 20-some years. that s kind of kind of weird, you know.
jimmy kinslow just recently transferred back to pnm from another prison but he has yet to receive all of his belongings. i will open it up. let them see what s in there so they can see it all, you know, visual inspection. all right. i appreciate they don t touch it. my bag was blessed by my medicine man in oklahoma before it was sent to me. okay. native american belief is you use sacred herbs for your spirit guides and spirit health. make your prayers be heard in the spirit world is to carry it on the herbs. given to us by the creator. without it you can t do the rituals, ceremonies and stuff like that. can t do the chants. it sanctifies everything. the medicine bag has been especially blessed by the elder and everything. the warden understood it was religious material and thought
wear a religious article, one at a time. i don t have a problem with that being in the cell. the feather and you taking that as well. i think we ll be fine with that. because you re not going to wear the feather. no, no. i don t see that that would be an issue. you have so little in prison and everything. the spiritual becomes vastly important. i would say during my early years, they done the right thing by locking me up. i was too messed up. i really was. and i hope that when i do die, that people can look back and say well, the person that he did become in his later years would bear no resemblance to the person he was when he was 18, 19, 20. i wish i could get out. i totally understand why no one would ever even ask, even float the idea of me ever getting out.
this jacob has quite an extensive history. make sure the staff are aware the propensity for this guy to carry out violent acts like that. we need to make sure medical does a thorough check on this individual because the walls have closed in on this guy, and he s a little psychologically challenged right now. he was here for quite a bit of time. went to central because of his psychological issues. so it appears he s still very unstable. you re going to have to determine this individual s state of mind and see where he s at. is he still hostile, is he still wanting to fight? make sure we don t have a further incident. inmate jacob chavez agrees to talk to our crew and tell his version of the story. all i remember is grabbing him and tying him, don t be disrespecting me like that. and then he said i don t remember what he said. i just started i started to let him have it, punching, kicking, everything. i let him have it. he ended up being hurt pretty bad, i guess. basically the