for what was happening with the planning aspects of it. joining our coverage, congresswoman elaine loria of virginia, she s of course a member of the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection. thank you so much for spending some time with us. this was not on the public schedule. we learned about this yesterday. can you tell us why it was so urgent to hear from cassidy hutchinson today? well, i think for anyone who listened to the hearing or has had a chance to hear some of the highlights of her testimony, it s very clear that this information, it cuts across all of the topics we ve covered so far and those that we have yet to cover in the future. it was in more detail. it was truly more damning in the sense that, you know, she brought together all of these different pieces where there may have been a lingering question of who knew what when, these conversations that she had you were just referencing on january 2nd with giuliani and meadows about how it could
coup? you want to be very careful, and how i say this, nicole, i said mark meadows was the mvp of the committee of the investigation. today, mark meadows is the rosetta stone of the investigation. he was pivotal for everything happening between these groups and up to the president paid when you hear an individual on the couch sending text messages to have the unique insight into being the first to see some of those text messages after we identified them when i saw that at the beginning, the committee saw the same thing and they automatically knew that what they saw on the text messages there was a story here they could break apart. we have to know this, and i m being very careful, there is 1000 text messages we hadn t seen that were privileged. we know mark meadows and others are fighting the records and why? because it s a tremendous weapon and with that data at the hands of the committee right now, i don t think the american public has seen anything yet.
according to the president, according to today s testimony, the president continued to suggest, behind the scenes, that his supporters were right and that it was mike pence who was wrong, deserved what he was getting. trumpworld s potential legal exposure not limited to just what happened in the lead-up to january 6th and on that day. in her closing statement, liz cheney spoke about potential witness tampering showing intimidated messages from trump s allies sent to witnesses for the committee. it s where we begin our coverage today, katie benner is here, new york times justice department reporter, also an msnbc contributor. harry litman is here, former deputy assistant attorney general, former u.s. attorney. frank figliuzzi is here, former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi, also an msnbc national security analyst. former senator and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill is here and i made charlie sykes stay after school. he s the editor-at-large of the
i have to bring neil can t yell back into this. is it safe to presume that if mr. terwilliger remains mr. meadows attorney, who will be defending him and a contempt of congress legal situation? it s looking like that. when i outlined the trump crimes committed, i almost discounted seditious conspiracy and insurrection because i thought it would be hard for the committee to get evidence for trump and people around him that they knew about the risk for violence and actively supported it but the testimony today completely changes that and shows that not just trump new, but mark meadows knew and they basically were in the seditious conspiracy. the doctorate of conspiracy is designed to basically encourage people with what?
committee was seeking to pick up on some of the momentum and potentially encourage other people to come forward and cooperate with their investigation as they wrap up and reach the conclusion with only a few more hearings left next month. neal katyal, there were two major themes today, and they both point to criminality and intent and premeditation. one is all of the talk about crimes and criminal exposure from the white house counsel. two was all the foreknowledge of violence and as the violence is ongoing, what we learned today is because trump planned to go there and a presidential movement called an otr, which means a teeny circle of people knew about it, they had contemporaneous reports of the assault and the weapons. they were thinking about using their to the capitol until the very last second when they turned the car around and went back to the white house. i m going to play some more of