the legal thing, let s contrast mark meadows behavior to the brave justice department people we saw last week. mark meadows saw this stuff donald trump was doing or not doing and didn t threat to resign. meadows told trump, let s go to the capitol after this speech. donald trump always wanted a ragdoll as his chief of staff and i think the fourth time was a charm. jackie, i did not get a super clear answer from congresswoman lori about why today? do you have it in your head that cassidy hutchinson provided the live testimony today after already sitting for four depositions? the reporting has stated that there were security threats to cassidy that were so intense and challenging for her to handle that the committee figured it would be better to have her testify sooner rather than later in the case that ultimately caused her to have second thoughts about appearing
alemany is back, washington post congressional reporter. neal katyal with georgetown university law professor, charlie sykes is here, editor at large of the bulwark and ben rhodes joins us, former deputy national security adviser to president obama, all msnbc contributors. i m going to play some more of it, either for anyone who didn t see it in its entirety or anyone who didn t see it with the four of you to provide context. i have to start with jackie alemany, i will not ask you how you knew or who told you, but you were pressing it 24 hours ago and you pushed back against john carl who said don t expect a john dean moment. you said i don t know. what did you know? i think if we re looking at the hearings this committee held so far, even the hearings that didn t technically reveal any new information were fairly jaw dropping, just hearing these witnesses speak in their own words and tell the stories up
they know i m on the right team. i m doing the right thing. i m protecting who i need to protect. you know i ll continue to stay in good graces in trump world. and they have reminded me a couple of times that trump does read transcripts and just keep that in mind as i proceed through my interviews with the committee. here s another sample in a different context. this is a call received by one of our witnesses. quote, a person let me know you have your deposition tomorrow. he wants me to let you know he s thinking about you. he knows you re loyal and you re going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition. i think most americans know that attempting to influence witnesses to testify up untruthfully presents very serious concerns. it s where we start today with some of our most favorite reporters and friends, jackie
weapons in others, flag poles with spears attached to them. he wanted them let in because he knew they wouldn t hurt him. what else did he know? well, i mean, that s the thing, you heard the testimony today, that doesn t even bring in what the committee hasn t done yet, which is the operational planning. we haven t heard about the proud boys and the oath keepers rally planners and all the other groups that are actually linked to this. i know the data that the committee has, and it s actually compelling, and i heard a lot of people talk about bombshells today, this was sort of a data and information cluster bomb. i think what that does is it links sort of this compelling need for the president to support what was happening january 6th, and nicolle, you talked about this even before the january 6th, you know, thing that happened there. me and you had these discussions about qanon well before this happened on january 6th, but what you saw were individuals that were sort of i would say
concerns that he would have. what is what is the reason he has given to the committee for not doing what his deputies have had to do and what his colleagues who were interacting with him around the clock have already testified to him doing? well, i ll reiterate what my colleague liz cheney said a few hearings ago. we want mr. cipollone to come speak to the committee on the record. i won t get into specific dialogues we ve had with witnesses or potential witnesses but his testimony is incredibly important, so i want to just reiterate that request, you know, to provide the information and fill in even more of the story we heard today. he is a key witness, and i think there s plenty of information that he should be able to provide to the committee that wouldn t necessarily apply as far as privilege is concerned. there are circumstance things, there are conversations that weren t directly with the president, and that s information that we need in order to more completely fill out the s