would be his aides. it s unclear how much of this has been shared with the justice department. the committee has been very reluctant to send information to doj and nobody from the committee has come out and said they have sent this over to the department as a criminal referral. however, it s clear that this is exactly the kind of information the justice department would be very interested in after the hearing, jamie raskin, speaking to reporters, said, of course, he points out that tampering with the witness is not only a federal crime, it is a crime here in the district of columbia, implying that the recipients of those messages would have been in d.c. so, of course this is something that doj is watching very closely. i want to turn to all of the talk inside the west wing of criminality, and i want to play this for you, harry litman. this is meadows talking about how trump was so enthusiastic and supportive of the rioters as they chanted hang mike pence. this is number three. i
no, sir, do you have any questions? he s like what are you hearing? and i looked at tony, and i was like sir, he just told you about what was happening at the rally. and he said yeah, i know, and then he looked up and said have you talked to the president? and tony said, yes, sir, he s aware. he said all right, good. so the time line is coming into focus. the president knew before he leaves the west wing, he s been briefed on the weapons. hutchinson also testified before the committee today that donald trump knew exactly how his supporters were armed and then directs them to the capitol anyway, urges secret service to let his armed supporters into the rally at the ellipse with their weapons. i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of i don t care that they have weapons. they re not here to hurt me. let my people in, they ve marched to the capitol from here, let the people in.
grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we re going back to the west wing. we re not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby angle, and when mr. arnado recounted the story, he motioned towards his clavicle. hutchinson pulls back the curtain on one of the major outstanding questions about january 6th, what exactly was going on minute by minute inside the west wing as the insurrectionists stormed the capitol. the committee aired video from hutchinson s deposition where she recounts a conversation between white house counsel pat cipollone and mark meadows after the capitol had been breached. i see pat barrelling down the hallway towards our office, and rushed right in, looked at me, said is mark in his office? and i said yes. he just looked at me and started shaking his head, and whenever
when you finally were able to give mr. meadows the information about the violence at the capitol, what was his reaction? he almost had a lack of reaction. i remember him saying, all right, and something to the effect of how much longer does the president have left in his speech. joining our coverage former republican congressman denver rick lman, and a former adviser to the january 6th select committee. the panel is still here as well. you and the whole committee is so disciplined about not getting ahead of the testimony in the public hearings, but we ve gone from donald trump s indifference to chants of hang mike pence to donald trump s complicity and foreknowledge of violence. tell me the significance of cassidy hutchinson s testimony around donald trump knowing that his supporters were armed in some instances and carrying
actors. and what this woman has, she has credibility, and her credibility can be bolstered. it can be bolstered first by her credentials. her republican credentials, working for scalise, working for cruz. it can be bolstered by data, phone records. she testified a lot about various moments where phones were involved or expecting calls. all that data is obtainable by the federal government. and finally, she can be corroborated by other witnesses, and one thing we haven t talked about today is immunity. they can t force some of these witnesses to testify in front of this committee, but yee howdy, merrick garland can force some of these folks to testify and i would say the most likely candidates for immunity against this crime syndicate, to testify against this crime syndicate would be pat cipollone. it would be the two security detail that were referenced today, bobby engel and tony ornato. these are the kind of people that the federal government