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Transcripts for MSNBC The Indictment of Donald Trump 20240604 04:09:00

rest of it they have not so, it could be that this is information that is unknown to the general public, and that i why it s something that - says this one are on tv, w don t know when we don t know. and then he s always right he knows more than us we do know that, but none o us saw that coming and by the way, i remind everybody, we only thought thi was coming because donald trum was invited to testify before grand jury, which is a clue. then he posted that he was going to be arrested baselessly. basically, so we are chasin our tails on that one. so, we don t really know and now there s this reporting that as of wednesday he did no think he was going to ge indicted but i m glad that you brought that up, because as we know, he declined th invitation to go testify befor this grand jury. he sent in his stead rober costello, who also did thi huge presser of words and wa very bombastic about how terrible michael cohen was, had all the receipts, and showed it to the jury. but d

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Indictment of Donald Trump 20240604 03:48:15

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Indictment of Donald Trump 20240604 03:33:00

well, this is where we ar going to bring katie in in a second, to explain to everyone the legalese of this, bu basically if this is going t be a felony, in needs to have component linked to election fraud, or something at tha federal level. so the question i was asking him prior to that, when he was giving that answer, was abou whether that was a holdup in him moving indictment forward, because there were so much conflicting, this is one of th questions, when he left at the end of 2021, there was a book, written by marc pomerantz that he referenced in our interview and this suggested that he recommended an indictment. he recommended that moving forward. allen brags sat on tha indictment so i did ask him about that, but i wanted to know what wa the holdup, if you didn t move forward for an indictment, which we know you didn t, what was the holdup of doing that so i asked him about tha secondary piece that would b required to make it a felony but katie can explain it further to us, and

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Indictment of Donald Trump 20240604 04:36:00

of other, you know, frau involving money, involving not paying taxes, that could be on of the indictments and that s what we re al waiting for. we re all stuck speculating. i m eager for this indictmen come out and see exactly wha bragg and his team have found. you and capehart both i was about to say. i m with capehart i want to know right, so, there s so man investigations, david, that ar happening. there is the manhattan da, the fulton county da, the specia counsel, the documents case in washington any evidence in your reporting in your conversation, of possible communication between manhattan, fulton county, th special counsel, if not to share information, t coordinate when all thei respective shoes are about t drop i have not heard that and i don t think that would happen i m working on a book now abou the justice department under the trump and bide

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Indictment of Donald Trump 20240604 03:18:00

in the most horrendous wa possible, he is invoking racis and antisemitism and violenc because he doesn t have, apparently, have a good lega argument to make on the cour charges of this, which is falsification of busines records claim. it appears, at a minimum as jonathan pointed out, w don t know there is reportedly over 3 counts in this case. we may see when this indictmen is unsealed, a fact patter that is much broader and mor damning than we already know i think if it only pertains in the stormy daniels manner, michael cohen calling it a 200 -pound anvil, it simply isn that it is a felony, misdemeanor, i think. and it, there are consequences for that certainly, but i don think it is the wittiest legal threat facing him.

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