welcome to special coverage of the indictment form hasn t. frontline here tonight with my embassy colleagues, jonathan capehart, host of the saturday and sunday show. simone standard temps it house of - and katie fang house to th katie phang show and less than 24, hours th president will be flying to ne york for his arraignment his decade as teflon don comin to an. and nbc news has learned tha the indictment includes around 30 counts related to trump s alleged role in the hush money payments made to storm daniels. he would appear in court o tuesday. the campaign now says trum will give a speech a mar-a-lago the same evening. the legal team said they are not doing anything about the arraignment and instead will wait for the indictment to b unsealed we will dissect it. the team will look at every an shoe that we will be able to challenge and we will challeng it i anticipate a motion. there s no law that fits this. there is no law that fits this we re likely to get a first
slowed, i would say, slowed th whole process on how he ha behaved on this. he has cooperated to a certain extent, as you said, through his staff. the jan sixth committee, his staff has also testified wit the special counsel. so, i think he has used that again and again to say, well you know, they are giving th facts. i think right now, he is the choice does he want that window that always - already closing before him where you can actually make a, difference and show that he is going to take a stand and be a honorable republican, so t speak, and take on trump, an just tell the truth? that s all he has to do, the truth is on a side, i believe. but i think though, to b honest with you, i would not b surprised if he challenges thi and takes this to the suprem court perhaps. i think he may say he s goin to, to fight on the side he said that it s constitutional question. he s done that before. i think he has a lawyer who
out out of former governor o arkansas s books should take a book of is hutchinson s book. he has been consistent in what he said. he is the one republican curly running right now that announced that he s running. he said that he will wait an let the judicial process pla out. i think we need more that in the republican party, becaus that is what is better for our country, not this campaign o disinformation that continuously undermining our democracy. olivia, jonathan capehart it s me, it s nice to see yo in this evening as opposed t the morning on my show i can hear not just th frustration in your voice abou your former boss, but the pain in your voice about your forme boss, and what he meant to you before all of this stuff happened so, my question is, why is h refusing to be the man that yo knew him to be before all of this happened? part of it, i think, is fear i think it s fear of angerin
about donald trump s behavior. there is been talk about the court actuating a gag orde against donald trump first question is, do you thin you would actually abide the b the? that s such a good question i absolutely think he won t. donald trump is donald trump s worst nightmare. if you actually abides by th gathering, it will probably references the son verity of the predicament. i think this is the leas potent of the legal danger that he faces. he doesn t listen to his lawyers, he doesn t listen t the second question is, nb news and other new organizations have asked the court for cameras in the
well, this is where we ar going to bring katie in in a second, to explain to everyone the legalese of this, bu basically if this is going t be a felony, in needs to have component linked to election fraud, or something at tha federal level. so the question i was asking him prior to that, when he was giving that answer, was abou whether that was a holdup in him moving indictment forward, because there were so much conflicting, this is one of th questions, when he left at the end of 2021, there was a book, written by marc pomerantz that he referenced in our interview and this suggested that he recommended an indictment. he recommended that moving forward. allen brags sat on tha indictment so i did ask him about that, but i wanted to know what wa the holdup, if you didn t move forward for an indictment, which we know you didn t, what was the holdup of doing that so i asked him about tha secondary piece that would b required to make it a felony but katie can explain it further to us, and