i m katie phang. we start today s show with more new evidence from the january 6th committee. they ve released more transcripts today, including interviews with critical players like donald trump s son don junior and top adviser stephen miller. miller admitted being told of a march to the capitol, telling the committee, quote, i think there might be, like, a plan for there to be a, you know, a peaceful walk to the capitol. the transcripts also revealing don junior was perturbed by the capitol insurrection. the committee questioning him about a text he wrote to meadows advise them to consemithis s stuff, don junior saying he was referring to the violence that s going on. even noting the hypocrisy of it all, saying, i spent the last 18 months call out violence and looting. but the committee alleges trump knew about the violence and didn t want to stop it. remember this critical testimony from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson. i overheard the president say somethin
we should point out nbc news has not yet verified that reporting half what we do have this afternoon is new reaction from a spokesperson for mark meadows. joining me now, luke broad january broadwater, matt miller, and joyce vance. luke, who exactly could be picking up these legal fees for at least it seems a dozen witnesses testifying before the january 6th committee? well, there are two funds that are funding witnesses lawyers. one is the save america pac which is run directly connected to donald trump. the other is the cpac first amendment fund which its director says consults with donald trump and donald trump s allies directly to decide which witnesses it will cover. so these are they offer both free legal advice to the witnesses and then also will pay for their attorneys fees if needed. this came to a head this week when cassidy hutchinson said she had to switch attorneys because she felt only with a new attorney could she be more forthright and testify publicly a
because remember, they had individual exposure, too, it s not just donald trump himself. right. so we ve all seen how successful people during the trump administration were with failed memories from the point in time where trump s first attorney general jeff sessions wouldn t remember anything when he testified in front of the senate during confirmation and oversight proceedings, and that has played out well repeatedly for people in this administration on into the mueller investigation, on into impeachment failure of memory seems to have worked out, and that s very likely what s going on here. we ve got cassidy hutchinson s testimony that she was coached by her first lawyer to have failure of memory when in fact she remembered things. so i think this takes us back to where we started, katie, to obstruction, and whether or not doj will be able to break through this. will they be able the get the witnesses who will help them put together a case on obstruction? will that help them fli
investigations they already have under way? i suppose i m interested in the reaction from the attorney general. he s kept his cards close to the vest for many months now. right. jim, as you said, these criminal referrals are not binding on prosecutors in any way. that said, i assure you prosecutors will be going through these referrals very, very carefully because we know that doj is investigating donald trump, doj wants this evidence and been asking for it publicly. merrick garland a couple weeks ago said please give us all the evidence. we need it for our investigation. we know that the committee has uncovered several pieces of important evidence, either before doj got there or perhaps that doj didn t even have. for example, we know the committee got cassidy hutchinson s testimony, pat cipollone s testimony, thousands of texts from mark meadows. if i m at doj i m eagerly anticipating not so much the referral but the evidence itself. when it comes to the charges of being considere
prosecution memo with just security at nyu. the mar-a-lago document mishandling issues, big federal exposure there. if anyone else in the country had taken even one of those classified national security information documents with them from the white house they would be subject to prosecution. donald trump took dozens. i think it is very likely my coauthors agree very likely that doj is going to prosecute. and speaking of fulton county, elliot, just look at this on the screen. you ve got this probe. who has already testified in that particular probe. you re talking about brian kemp, the governor of georgia and the governor elect yet again. you ve got cassidy hutchinson, and you have upcoming in that familiar faces including senator lindsey graham and also michael flynn. and i wonder do you think that this particular investigation, elliot, poses the biggest litigation or prosecutorial