everyone. only donald trump seems to be able to get away with that. as a lot of people imitating him, including ron desantis who thinks he can be a better version of trump. but only donald trump can get away with it. it is an anomaly here, one that is still extremely dangerous and in my opinion, and i know stu feels the same way, that you underestimate his influence at your own peril. we cannot do that, because they re still millions of people who support him, and the election was actually a lot closer last time around in 2020 than a lot of people want to realize. we still have electoral college and it s not the popular vote, and that s where you need to focus. it was quite close for joe biden in 2020. after everything trump is said and done, how many people died when we went through. that s a good point, and it speaks to the importance of the swing states which is part of why i think it s so striking what happened in those five states. in wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan, arizona a
better. ayers said he deleted his social media, and he malonga i. after the hearing, he approached each capitol police officer, and emotionally offered his apologies. with us tonight, nbc news senior reporter ben collins. he covers disinformation and extremism on the internet. and ben, i was thinking of you when i was watching him. like, watching someone in realtime, really talk about online radicalization. but i was also thinking, last night, i interviewed alex holder. that s the guy behind the trump documentary. and he said, a couple of months after the all the election, it was down at mar-a-lago, trump was furious, he was angry. and he asked him, oh, is it because he lost? and he said, no. it s because he doesn t have access to social media anymore. talk to us about the power and influence one can have on social media, and the ability to radicalize people. yeah, we ve heard a lot of different stories about how people ended up at the capitol.
but really, we keep hearing the same version of the same one, right? a guy on social media, a woman on social media, who realized that this was gonna be the last hurrah. they realized, they ve been following like a deity, like for the last few months and years, it s gonna give his last speech there. he kept pointing to this one day. donald trump did not point to one day very frequently. he didn t say he needed, you know, people to come by, one day, and help them out. and they all wound up going there. this is basically the same story, dying on the steps of the capitol. what s interesting about these stories that this social media stuff, it seems to replace what we used to call the mono culture. monica was like, everyone watching the same episodes of silent failed. everyone goes to church on sunday. everyone basically did the same stuff. if you are following donald trump on social media, he gave you a standard set of characters to follow and hate a specific set of dates to follow. get r
was down at mar-a-lago, trump was furious, he was angry. and he asked him, oh, is it because he lost? and he said, no. it s because he doesn t have access to social media anymore. talk to us about the power and influence one can have on social media, and the ability to radicalize people. yeah, we ve heard a lot of different stories about how people ended up at the capitol. but really, we keep hearing the same version of the same one, right? a guy on social media, a woman on social media, who realized that this was gonna be the last hurrah. they realized, the guy they ve been following who they look to almost like a deity, like for the last few months and years, it s gonna give his last speech there. he kept pointing to this one day. donald trump did not point to one day very frequently. he didn t say he needed, you know, people to come by, one day, and help them out. and they all wound up going there.
white house before trump, who was literally wearing an easter bunny suit. i get it. they ve never had a seat at the table, never gone to a party. lindsey graham has, why do this? well, lindsey graham needed to be reelected in 2020. and this is one of his colleagues said to me about lindsey graham, there was no one who needs the u.s. senate more than lindsey does. he doesn t have a family. he doesn t have much else in his life. and the guy just absolutely loves to be in washington. he has his big office, his big staff. and be relevant, be at the dice table, as he says, he gets a real kick out of this. and he needs it. even better than being in the senate senate, is being the presidents golfing buddy. i mean, he loves alpha dogs. john mccain was his alpha dog, for all these years, he was his happy sidekick, right? the guy who went along be the mascot and be in the room. but his sidekick who s willing to get kicked? talk to us i mean, you ve covered politics in washington for years.