his office he loved from trump, down the hall from president-elect trump. why does he maintain his loyalty, if he didn t get the payoff of the promise of believing in somebody running for president, which is to go in there and work for the administration, why does he remain loyal? maybe he doesn t have anything, for all we know. perhaps he doesn t. he can t flip because he doesn t have anything to offer them on trump in the first place? perhaps. that s the thing, we don t know, as you well know, you have been around this, besides your political history with your father and you re a lawyer. you have covered this. we don t know what they have. we especially don t know. he hasn t even been indicted. he hasn t been indicted. i can tell you my voluntary, they asked me every single central figure i knew well, what did i know about their busine? thank god i didn t know a lot about their businesses. thank god i was also just this but cohen does. sure. michael does. and the ot
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truth, that s got to be a joke. tell me what i said that is untrue. did you call nehlen i don t believe any of that. you called him your hero. why did you call h your hero? he was complimented by a lot of people why did you call him your hero? it was because he took on paul ryan and i don t support paul ryan. what about his ugly views? it doesn t matter who he is or what he believes. how many times do we have to discuss this? why would people watch your show, we re going around in a circle. we re going to keep going like a merry-go-round til it stops. you can do that if you want. i m glad for the time. you re helping me with my name recognition. that s wonderful. a known anti-semite. a guy who says arthur ashe is offensive to his heritage. at the time that he was complemented by me and several others put back up the timeline.
any collusion argument, we don t know if at all. back to cohen. so why are trump folk worried that he might flip? well, i mean, they re putting a lot of pressure on him. first of all, look, michael is, to me, a tragic figure. you know, i was attacked by the president. you and maggie haberman on for this interview. i said to her on the record when anybody else complains to me, i m a guy who saw donald trump speaking at cpac in 2011, and i just knew this guy can get elected president. there was something about him. there s just, he had the walk, the same way obama had the walk in 2004. he s a star. and michael believed there are only two people in the trump inner circle who not only believed donald trump was going to win the gop primary but was going to win the presidency. and it was 100% that he was going to win. you know who they were? michael cohen and our first lady. the only te i kn. i was very worried. ought we had a good chance to win the primary. michael cohen s devotion an
be careful, because the worst thg that the president can do because michael has this devotion to him which is to do what the president loves to do which is what he love did to me. he called me a part-time consultant. you re talking a guy just as an example, this isn t me getting accolades. he knows whator i wasn t low level. a lot of the stuff i helped him with, he used long after i was kicked out. what he almost did with michael, he said he s just some lawyer who worked on this stupid deal for him. very small part of my business that s why i think rudy has done a great job. rudy s the guy who can sit down, gets the president, knows the president, understands him, look. let s say when you and i are at his new yorkers and he can commute communicate with him and rudy has been fantastic. and the numbers don t lie. he has been effective. you can look at his political pole. he certainly shifted the