be careful, because the worst thg that the president can do because michael has this devotion to him which is to do what the president loves to do which is what he love did to me. he called me a part-time consultant. you're talking a guy -- just as an example, this isn't me getting accolades. he knows whator i wasn't low level. a lot of the stuff i helped him with, he used long after i was kicked out. what he almost did with michael, he said he's just some lawyer who worked on this stupid deal for him. >> very small part of my business -- >> that's why i think rudy has done a great job. rudy's the guy who can sit down, gets the president, knows the president, understands him, look. let's say when you and i are at his new yorkers and he can commute communicate with him and rudy has been fantastic. and the numbers don't lie. he has been effective. you can look at his political pole. >> he certainly shifted the