neil: interesting. as expected, the former president pled not guilty. the magistrate is separate from the judge that will be providing over this case. she said i ll advice you the counts and penalties and it goes through the counts and penalties. the former president confirms his name and age. she goes through the various counts, the conspiracy to dew fraud the u.s., conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, violating conspiracy, rights. adds them up. fines, dollars and jail and all of such. he stands to hear all of that. how is that kneaded out? after he pleads not guilty, which is fully expected, the judge clearly wants to remind him of what is at stake with each of these counts. that s the procedure, correct?
that a fraud count, to defraud the united states, the supreme court would have to say that s a financial fraud and this isn t. it doesn t matter whether he lied. they have to charge him with something that is actually criminal. that s why i think if bret s point before about the appellate process here, would i have been straining my brain to figure out is, how does he get this case to the court of appeals? maybe john has a better idea on this than i do. it s easy to see how he gets the mar-a-largo case up to the court of appeals. that is controlled by a statute that controls classified information. the preference in the federal system that you litigate the whole case in front of the trial judge and if there s convection after sentencing, the whole bundle goes to the court of appeals but not before. he has to figure out a way to
overwhelming first time in my life experience kind of thing. this is the third time. might not be the last time. how do you think he s comporting himself? you ve had a chance to see him up close in that interview. i know he takes it case by case. the bravado and everything asosated with it. how is he dealing with this from what you can see? neil, good afternoon. first of all, this is all surreal. the fact that griff jenkins, our correspondent is out there with the other arraignment that he covered, we re on our third one here. this is pretty amazing as we talk about this. i think the president, you re right. for all the bravado on truth social, all the things he says, i think those images and when we had a glance in manhattan of his face are someone who does take this seriously. he s facing a lot of time in jail if he s convicted of all of these things. he doesn t believe he s going to
a statement there at the courthouse. we don t know. remember, if you go back to june when i was covering the arraignment there when he was dealing with the documents case, the former president left and won t to a cuban restaurant that was accessible to the press. we don t know what he s going to do he s going to walk out, talk to us here. our understanding is that spokesperson, alina habba that gave us a gaggle may be all we get. you never know. the former president has surprised us. we ll see what happens. neil: thanks very much for that, griff. again, the third time that we ve seen this. there s more to come. we ll tell you more about the case involving the former president s role in the georgia recount case. fulton county prosecutor has end kated that she was ready to go.
john yoo. martha, we talked about the enormity of this. i wouldn t say blase about it. first alvin bragg indictment. this is the third time, probably not the charm for the former president. could be a fourth time here. he knows the drill. i think we as the viewing public know the drill. yeah, i m not sure that any one gets use to the part that he just wendt through, which is the standing up and having to magistrate in this case read through the charges against him and the time he would have to serve if he were found guilty on any of these counts. the first one is conspiracy to defraud the u.s., which is interfering with a proceeding. fine up to $250,000 or both. it goes on from there. in some of these cases, the