trail. which might make him want to do it all the more. neil: you read my mind. that s true. neil: i guess the judge read the expected riot act and talked to donald trump as well as his lawyers to say you can t violate that state or local law while on release. others will let him out. you must serve sentence of the court, defendant may not communicate about the facts of the case to anyone known to be a witness in the case. and then reminding him, mr. trump, please listen carefully. these warnings that i give all defendants, if you fail to comply, a warrant may be issued for your arrest. that s what they do, shannon. it s powerful when you hear it from a judge talking to a man that was and wants to be, again, president of the united states. yeah, there s real penalties for not doing what a judge has ordered you to do. it does put you in a different position no matter how powerful
we don t know what she meant by that. let s bring in our panel to cover this. here s martha maccallum from the story with martha maccallum. her co-debate moderator is joining us, bret baier, anchor of special record. snazzy dresser always. andy mccarthy is here as well. he knows something about the legal process. probably not as much with me with my la law background. martha, start with you. i d like you take is what is at stake here. much has been said of the judge not handling this particular arraignment today. but there be handling this case. this obama appointee. she called this a historic event. i m just wondering if she s been
here. from going back to saying you didn t have documents when you did, you didn t move them when you did. you didn t deny their existence or the fact that they might have been in other people s hands. when that was indeed the case. i can go on. payments made i think that that case is very didn t. neil: i hear you on all of the above. this is all part of a greater pattern of behavior the prosecutors will say that show where there s smoke, there s some fire. do you think that resonates or at this time no? well, i think, again, if anything in the indictment that the justice department put forward in this police car that we re talking about in regards to january 6 had been different than anything i had already read about on the front pages of all the newspapers and reported on here myself, then i think i would have been looking at this in a different way. i look at this and i think we ve
with martha maccallum. neil: go ahead. there is a one wrinkle here that could come in, neil. that is this i doubt that the trump team can get a change of venue in this case arguing that the jurisdiction is politically disadvantageous. it s not a very good basis to change the court location. the judge could do some other things that could impact the debate and other things. in d.c., they tend to impose gag orders on defendants. they tend to be a little more aggressive in that sense than some courts. the question is whether this judge who is viewed as a tough judge, is going to say, you know what? i m going to treat you like any other defendant and not talking about the case in public. i think that that would be a serious mistake for the judge. i think it would be taken up on appeal and hope it be reversed. she could impose that type of order. that can impact his appearances at the debate or on the campaign
here. i have to tell you, this is thin soup in my view. they have a colossal constitutional problem that they have to overcome from the outset. they have to establish all of these lynchpins that he not only believed that the truth of the matter, that he understood he was lying, but then he played a criminal role in getting these other individuals to take the steps mentioned in the indictment. that is a very difficult case to prove. i think part of the dynamic that we re seeing is that you can t just pursue a president from pillar to post across the country without people begin to tune out, this day would be called a life-changing experience for most people. for donald trump, it s called thursday. he is this is his third indictment. he s going to likely get a