been we knew all of this. they didn t have anything new. the documents case, that was new. that was different. they do have president trump saying directly that he shouldn t have had the documents. he swatted that away. calling it hyperbole, et cetera. i think that that case is very, very different. if i was a person at the doj again and i was looking at the documents case versus this one, i have to say from a messaging standpoint, if you want to win this in the court of public opinion before the 2024 election, the justice department in this case is falling short. neil: interesting. all right. jonathan turley, let s pursue that with you then. you know, some people have said, some lawyers have said chatting with you, this is the weakest of the cases as far as prosecutors are concerned going after donald trump. that you re trying to attach him for cause and effect and a quid pro quo to inciting words and inciting violence to when we saw on january 6th. i had a democratic congressman
your thoughts. sorry, neil, about my tech foul-up. you have the school of law here, the cavuto school, andy covering the trial. i m happy to take the appeals, this is where the trial judge has complete discretion in this case. the trial judge can say i want it to go to verdict. after we see whether he s convicted or not, we ll let the issues like the one you just raised, is trump legally chargeable for obstruction of congress. it goes to the dc circuit, which is a very unfavorable circuit for trump. the supreme court has been very reluctant to approve the use of fraud for creating readings of criminal laws to interferes to what they think is the mess of politics. you can easily see the supreme court reversing the use of the
winning that news cycle today and i expect that to continue into tonight. martha: thanks, dana. shannon, great to see you. we ll see dana at 5:00 and shannon sunday and later here as well. now our live coverage continues as neil takes over his hour. hi, neil. neil: thanks. do not go far. i have questions to ask you. but we re waiting to see how this sorts out today. the former president of the united states is facing his third arrest or arraignment however you want to describe in the last four months. this is supposed to be the case that is the most expedited or deemed to be the one that the main prosecutor here thinks could really cinch his case and cinch what he wants to see happen. that is eventually make sure that donald trump never can be president of the united states again.
cameras and media. there s hundreds of cameras out here. me media. it goes all the warned and the block. really that is i think perhaps what team trump is trying to capitalize on. that s why we saw alina habba stand out in front of the cameras before trump went in the courtroom to allege election interference and make note of the similarities between the timing of when hunter biden has news, when people like devin archer testified and the next day you have the indictment in this case. so a very interesting sort of point to make. i think also, you know, the one thing that i noticed as i did that live shot with you, i talk a walk down on the third street to see the crowd, which are standing there waiting to get a glimpse of trump when he leaves. it s fascinating. it s a mix of pro trump and anti-trump. but literally at the cross walk, we waited to cross the street,
let the people be governed by who they choose. i think that that message gets much harder to deliver when you have a situation like this. if john yoo is right, if the case was super airtight and you had a phone call with video, president trump is saying go to the capitol and attack these police officers, that would be a didn t story. that s not what the justice department came forward with this one. neil: still, if you think about it over the course of this time with the 78 charges, some are severe, some can be swatted away, i guess. the fact of the matter is, we wouldn t be in this position, the pile-on no withstanding and you re right to raise the timing and the political implications. but he s charged we do ago lot of awful things. that i might not be 78 instances of that that are legit. but there s enough to give people pause. even his most die-hard fans if they were to sort of surgically take apart what has been debated