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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:30:00

reputation, i m calling the police. there are many people who get extorted, blackmailed, and they basically want to make the problem go away. and so rather than go to the police, pam continued making payments to ron young. the only thing they had were those tapes and that was it. and those were the words of a person trying to get money from another person. that s it. that s not a criminal conspiracy in the wake of pam having hired ron to kill gary. that was after the fact, after the murder, not before. they don t have a single thing, a single shred of evidence of conspiracy before the fact. but if pam and ron did not conspire to kill gary triano, did not carry it out, well, then who did? you are about to hear one wild story of a man police never checked out, a man who had the means, the motive and apparently the desire to kill gary triano.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:25:00

february 2014, more than 17 years had passed since gary triano s shocking death by car bomb outside a tucson country club. his ex-wife, pam phillips, was on trial, charged with his murder. right from the start. pam s defense team there was a rush to judgment. it s a lot easier to go after the wife who collected $2 million. easy. that s the low-hanging fruit. in his opening statement, he defended not just pam, but her alleged co-conspirator, as well. the evidence you ll hear will convince you that not only my client is innocent, but ron young is innocent. they insisted nothing was placing ron young or pam phillips in tucson on the day of the murder. if you re going to do a bombing, you gotta come in and do the bombing. and they have no evidence whatsoever of that.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:55:00

april 2nd, 2014, it had been 17 years, five months, and one day since gary triano and the life he lived had parted company. now, each side had one last chance. the defense insisted that investigators had blinders on when they went after pam phillips, carelessly ignoring other possible leads like neil mcneice, who had openly wished gary triano dead. there s plenty of proof that we have shown, that there s a reasonable doubt, and the state went after the easy marks, the woman who got a $2 million insurance policy and the guy that was extorting her. but, said the prosecutor, the idea that anyone else was responsible for this murder, other than pam and her co-conspirator ron young, was just pure fantasy. it makes for a good story,

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:45:15

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:45:15
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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:56:00

that neil mcneice didn t like gary triano and it must have been him. makes for a good story that he s got a friend who does model airplanes and has gizmos that are similar to what is used in a bomb. makes for a good story. it s time to hold pam phillips responsible for her crimes. it is time to find pamela phillips guilty. ladies and gentlemen, you re excused to deliberate. and so the jury retired, and everyone else waited. you feel confident as the jury went out? i ve been doing it long enough to never be confident about anything. after two and a half days of deliberations, the jury had a verdict. and the story that had been the talk of tucson for so many years entered its final chapter. we find the defendant pamela phillips, guilty of pam phillips, guilty of first-degree murder and

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